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Should I leave Brazil and go to CX?

Old 22nd Dec 2018, 16:01
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Should I leave Brazil and go to CX?

Hey Guys, I’m a Commercial pilot in Brazil and I was invited to an interview.I’ve already read lots of you saying that HK it’s terrible to live and etc... but I would like to know if it would be an opportunity to get some experience in airlines? It is a second officer position based in HK. I don’t know how much you guys know about Brazil but let’s say that I’m used to live a hard life. I’m single with no kids.Looking forward to hear from you.
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 20:06
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If that's the only opportunity you have at this time then take it. Go for the interview experience. Study hard and give it your best. Should you receive a positive outcome, reassess your situation and make a final decision.
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 20:14
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Originally Posted by betpump5 View Post
So this is the type of candidate POS 18 attracts...

At least CX can say they are a step above the favelas.
CX has been using Khayelitsha and Soweto as a benchmark for decades
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 22:16
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If you were stuck in Venezuela I’d probably say yes.

Brazil not so much.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 02:16
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Ohhhh, you are going to be SO happy when you see the "multi-cultural" varieties that CX is going to be importing over the next year or so. Some wonderful new accents for the trainers to deal with. English will soon be the minority language on the flight decks of CX.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 04:09
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Gustavo

Give the interview a go, come and see HK for yourself but remember if you get the job and join Cx, you will be working with white colonial racists as indicated by many of the inane replies here.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 07:43
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Originally Posted by Ecam321 View Post
Gustavo

Give the interview a go, come and see HK for yourself but remember if you get the job and join Cx, you will be working with white colonial racists as indicated by many of the inane replies here.
The lazy mans way to demonize someone: call them “racist “. (You’re not an American who votes Democrat are you ?)
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 10:17
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Heeyy our great friend RACISM

Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post


The lazy mans way to demonize someone: call them “racist “. (You’re not an American who votes Democrat are you ?)
Racists don’t like to be called racists. Just embrace your reality mngmt mole.

But back to the topic. Cx is not a bad company, like many other companies it has many negative issues and unfortunately it is not the company it used to be. So the frustrations from the pilot group is massive and that is why u get all these negative comments.

But I think u should give it a go. Try it and see for yourself, you can always go back. So just do it, man. Good luck.


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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 10:44
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FBetpump5———is that the best you’ve got? ( post #2 ) I think you owe the Brazilian an apology mate. Play the Ball not the Man.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 10:59
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Originally Posted by gipilot View Post


Racists don’t like to be called racists. Just embrace your reality mngmt mole.

But back to the topic. Cx is not a bad company, like many other companies it has many negative issues and unfortunately it is not the company it used to be. So the frustrations from the pilot group is massive and that is why u get all these negative comments.

But I think u should give it a go. Try it and see for yourself, you can always go back. So just do it, man. Good luck.



Gipilot. I didn't read anything that suggests MM was being racist, just him pointing out a historical fact that many people of intellectual laziness use that term as a way to demonize those that disagree with them. Just as you've done. Your comment says more about you than is does about MM.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 12:46
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If the shoe fits

Originally Posted by Air Profit View Post
Gipilot. I didn't read anything that suggests MM was being racist, just him pointing out a historical fact that many people of intellectual laziness use that term as a way to demonize those that disagree with them. Just as you've done. Your comment says more about you than is does about MM.
As I said,Air profit. Racists don't like to be called racist. Thanks for proving my point. Cx will continue being multi cultural whether you or mngmnt mole like it or not. Pfff, "intellectual laziness", is that the best you've got?
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 12:51
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You just keep reaching for the next biggest shovel don't you Gipilot? You couldn't have proved AP's point better if you had intended to. The old saying, "better to remain silent and let them think you an idiot than open your mouth and remove all doubt" should be something for you to reflect on.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 13:10
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gipilot,

Have YOU read POS18?

Can you honestly say that Cathay is “not a bad company” when they ask you to sign away the few protections that Hong Kong law provide? And there are many more questions in that line.

Seriously?

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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 15:24
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anything is better than a smug, Aussie accent!
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 01:07
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Hi everyone,
It’s funny how some guys think they are better and superior to others like your highness betpump5.
Get a life man, if you don’t have anything good to say keep your mouth shot .
Gustavo you should go there and see for yourself.
Good luck .
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 10:06
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Betpump5 is probably one of those called ‘the flotsam and jetsam of aviation’ by A Scalers when he was recruited...
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 11:29
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The problem is ,as someone else correctly pointed out ,that by accepting a lower standard of COS the newjoiners inadvertently reinforce the management belief that the salary is too high . Back in the 80;s and early 90’s Cathay was the airline that everyone aspired to join , competition to get in was fierce and the selection process was tough. If you were lucky enough to get in, the job was great, salaries were good, COS were very adequate and the company looked after you, so no one complained and the crew were always happy to go the extra mile without being asked. It was a winning formula .
Then about 1997 the accountants got involved with senior management on how to save a few bucks , the easy target was the pilot’s salaries. There was a already a degree of jealousy from the non aviation part of the company who saw us as overpaid , underworked prima donnas , this was quietly endorsed by senior management because they never tried to quash the underlying impression.
I remember going to focus nights put on by the company where it was espoused that if we didn’t accept pay and COS cuts the company was going to go bust. This was the beginning of the industrial dispute that continues to this day .
COS 99 was imposed on the workforce with sign or be fired , then came ASL followed by B scales , people who joined on B scales and I’m not pointing fingers or blaming anyone for doing so ,sealed the fate of the original pay scales which then became known as A scales. From this point on it’s been a downward trend of COS cuts , leave reduced , flying hours increased, overtime reduced , medical cover reduced , housing reduced , the list goes on and on . Yet management managed to squander $4 plus billion on a lousy fuel hedge and no one is called to account , so I have to ponder who was on the other side of the fuel hedge .
Then came C scales and finally COS 18 , so again if pilots join on COS 18 it will erode B scales even further .
What I am trying to point out is that none of the comments are truly racist, that term is a slight used frequently by the left when they cannot win an argument using logic and want to shut someone up .
It’s about pilots from other parts of the world be it South America, South Africa , South Asia who find themselves living in worse conditions than the perceived conditions offered by Cathay, and who are willing to take the offer not fully realising that by doing so they are degrading the COS of those pilots already employed .
This creates a natural resentment towards these new hires fostered by many years of industrial unrest , hence some of the comments here.
May I wish everyone a very Happy Christmas and New Year , I look forward to contributing in 2019
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 16:23
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Tea Time

“What I am trying to point out is that none of the comments are truly racist, that term is a slight used frequently by the left when they cannot win an argument using logic and want to shut someone up.” Please TEA TIME , show me the arguments included in their comments, since you’re talking about arguments. None right? Thought so.

Not “truly” racist just slightly. Not “truly” 10 degrees but slightly. Not “TRULY” a fact but slightly. Racists do not like to be called racist, do you understand now? Especially how all of you suddenly crawl right out of your rocks to defend “NOT TRULY” racist comment.

Back to the point.

I have read POS18 and I somewhat can understand the emotions by some of you but when it comes to these new hires the question is , do you know how bad aviation is OUTSIDE of CX? Everyone talks as if in the US or EU, EVERYTHING is better than CX. Well it’s not, not even with POS18. Do any of you have any knowledge of how tough the EU FTL’s are? Or average salaries there? Taxes? etc etc. So you can imagine how they are in South America or Africa.

This business of being pissed at new hires for taking a package is ridiculous. What do they have to do with the dispute between the AoA and management. So are you now telling me that you will be pissed at the guys that took COS99? Then pissed at the c scalers? Than pissed at cos18 guys? Come on, have you nothing to do in life?

Point is many of you should start accepting that Cx is not the company it once was and it will never be that again. Cx is NOT a career airline but more of a stepping stone for pilots. Why would you get yourself worked up for that? You don’t have a say in it? That is how the management wants it to be, so be it. Quit whining.

And to the none elitists here, Merry Christmas and wish you all a happy New Year with lots of blessings and especially Health. Cheers guys.

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Old 24th Dec 2018, 18:10
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Originally Posted by Tea time View Post
The problem is ,as someone else correctly pointed out ,that by accepting a lower standard of COS the newjoiners inadvertently reinforce the management belief that the salary is too high . Back in the 80;s and early 90’s Cathay was the airline that everyone aspired to join , competition to get in was fierce and the selection process was tough. If you were lucky enough to get in, the job was great, salaries were good, COS were very adequate and the company looked after you, so no one complained and the crew were always happy to go the extra mile without being asked. It was a winning formula .
Then about 1997 the accountants got involved with senior management on how to save a few bucks , the easy target was the pilot’s salaries. There was a already a degree of jealousy from the non aviation part of the company who saw us as overpaid , underworked prima donnas , this was quietly endorsed by senior management because they never tried to quash the underlying impression.
I remember going to focus nights put on by the company where it was espoused that if we didn’t accept pay and COS cuts the company was going to go bust. This was the beginning of the industrial dispute that continues to this day .
COS 99 was imposed on the workforce with sign or be fired , then came ASL followed by B scales , people who joined on B scales and I’m not pointing fingers or blaming anyone for doing so ,sealed the fate of the original pay scales which then became known as A scales. From this point on it’s been a downward trend of COS cuts , leave reduced , flying hours increased, overtime reduced , medical cover reduced , housing reduced , the list goes on and on . Yet management managed to squander $4 plus billion on a lousy fuel hedge and no one is called to account , so I have to ponder who was on the other side of the fuel hedge .
Then came C scales and finally COS 18 , so again if pilots join on COS 18 it will erode B scales even further .
What I am trying to point out is that none of the comments are truly racist, that term is a slight used frequently by the left when they cannot win an argument using logic and want to shut someone up .
It’s about pilots from other parts of the world be it South America, South Africa , South Asia who find themselves living in worse conditions than the perceived conditions offered by Cathay, and who are willing to take the offer not fully realising that by doing so they are degrading the COS of those pilots already employed .
This creates a natural resentment towards these new hires fostered by many years of industrial unrest , hence some of the comments here.
May I wish everyone a very Happy Christmas and New Year , I look forward to contributing in 2019
Probably inconvenient for you to remember, but I well remember in 1994 when GC was DFO and B scales were proposed the HKAOA as ‘twas then did its best to oppose the reduction in terms and conditions... I was at some of those discussions. We were utterly undermined by the fact that numerous pilots had already been recruited on the lower B scale conditions... and by the Captains at the time finding it difficult to believe that anyone could live in HKG on the B scale package. It’s a bit rich for those who came to CX on a reduced package to now slag off those doing exactly the same for their own reasons. It’s perhaps also worth remembering that the A Scalers were actually about to go on strike before the Company caved in in, I think, 1989. No guts, no glory.
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 18:27
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Ok Guys, let me clear up two things here.
First, I do not live in the favelas but I do respect who lives there.
Second, I am not black like most people here think I am, but I do respect everybody’s race.
Another thing, why do you think that I not good enough to work at CX?
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