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Crimito - its worse because you will be stuffed into a 400sq ft apartment, living pay cheque to pay cheque, getting absolutely no experience or job satisfaction at all. All you will hear is how the captains have made so much money and continue to live in houses they own and you are struggling to pay rent. '
Then wait until you have kids ha ha ha on the Sh1t COS18 contract you are honestly in trouble.
But good luck to you. Advice is not to burn any bridge at your previous employer.
Then wait until you have kids ha ha ha on the Sh1t COS18 contract you are honestly in trouble.
But good luck to you. Advice is not to burn any bridge at your previous employer.
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Guys a lot of truths being spoken here! Please do your research about Hong Kong and the cost of living and typical spends on things before you actually look at coming for this job! On paper you might see figures and think wow ok not as good as it was but the money is ok, it simply isn’t with the cost of living in Hong Kong! If you don’t believe what people are saying then fine, go do your own research! Here is some info to help:
PROPERTY go onto Spacious Hong Kong or Go Home HK and start looking for apartments see what you can afford to live in, most pilots live in DB, MID levels, Kennedy Town, Sai Kung or even on South Lantau! Remember with property you need to be aware of Net v Gross sq foot and you need to pay two months rent security deposit upfront in addition to half a months rent commission to the real estate agent who finds you or represents you for the apartment!
FOOD, pretend to do an online shop for you and your family see what the bill comes to, take note of the smaller sizes of things here in Hong Kong like a pack of Kellogg’s cereal and the price of it compared to everywhere else! Welcome, Park & Shop or a service such as honest bee all deliver and will give a great idea of what you spend on a weekly shop! If you really want to scare your self look at the more high quality food vendors such as Jason’s, City Super or M&S.
TAX, go onto the Hong Kong IRD and look at how much tax you will be paying do your research, did you know in your first year you have to pay two years of tax? Might not sound like much but it is quite hefty especially for a new joining Second Officer or Junior FO, along with the cost of your move to Asia and the significant sum of cash required for your rental property the significant costs you have to pay in your first year in Hong Kong are rising!
EDUCATION, have a look at the ESF website they openly advertise their fees on the website including the non refundable debenture to get a kid in, remember these fees are monthly and in HKD! If you want to look at something a little better because you don’t like the sound of a government school then look at DBIS for a slightly more modest and achievable school, if you really want a fancy school have a little look at the Harrow school where the fees make even CEOs and Billionaires wince.
ENTERTAINMENT, your hard earned days off what are you gonna do? Fancy getting out of your 500 Sq foot Hong Kong 2 bedroom apartment (Ha) people who live here will understand the irony! Going out for a meal with your mates or a Beer, look at websites of places in Central, Soho, DB, TST see the price lists on their menus a night or meal out quickly becomes very expensive! Cinema, have a look and see what the latest blockbuster ticket price is!
Club or Gym membership, go look into those cricket club, Football club, FCC all explain their fees on the website it’s eyewatering!
HEALTHCARE, unfortunately so many things aren’t included in our Health package anymore and we don’t have real insurance Cathay self insure and will only pay for certain things from doctors they choose! Have a look on the website of some local doctors to see how much they will charge your for routine things such as a flu shot, vaccinations required for some of the destinations you will operate too, a medical check up for you and your family! OT&P is one that comes to mind go on their website or send them an email and ask them!
All of these essential items are things that you should very easily be able to afford and more importantly you deserve to be able to afford, you are a profesional aviator at arguably the top of your profession (used to be maybe not anymore) the fact that a legacy premium airline is attempting to make it so their own professionals can not afford access to such essentials is disheartening!
PROPERTY go onto Spacious Hong Kong or Go Home HK and start looking for apartments see what you can afford to live in, most pilots live in DB, MID levels, Kennedy Town, Sai Kung or even on South Lantau! Remember with property you need to be aware of Net v Gross sq foot and you need to pay two months rent security deposit upfront in addition to half a months rent commission to the real estate agent who finds you or represents you for the apartment!
FOOD, pretend to do an online shop for you and your family see what the bill comes to, take note of the smaller sizes of things here in Hong Kong like a pack of Kellogg’s cereal and the price of it compared to everywhere else! Welcome, Park & Shop or a service such as honest bee all deliver and will give a great idea of what you spend on a weekly shop! If you really want to scare your self look at the more high quality food vendors such as Jason’s, City Super or M&S.
TAX, go onto the Hong Kong IRD and look at how much tax you will be paying do your research, did you know in your first year you have to pay two years of tax? Might not sound like much but it is quite hefty especially for a new joining Second Officer or Junior FO, along with the cost of your move to Asia and the significant sum of cash required for your rental property the significant costs you have to pay in your first year in Hong Kong are rising!
EDUCATION, have a look at the ESF website they openly advertise their fees on the website including the non refundable debenture to get a kid in, remember these fees are monthly and in HKD! If you want to look at something a little better because you don’t like the sound of a government school then look at DBIS for a slightly more modest and achievable school, if you really want a fancy school have a little look at the Harrow school where the fees make even CEOs and Billionaires wince.
ENTERTAINMENT, your hard earned days off what are you gonna do? Fancy getting out of your 500 Sq foot Hong Kong 2 bedroom apartment (Ha) people who live here will understand the irony! Going out for a meal with your mates or a Beer, look at websites of places in Central, Soho, DB, TST see the price lists on their menus a night or meal out quickly becomes very expensive! Cinema, have a look and see what the latest blockbuster ticket price is!
Club or Gym membership, go look into those cricket club, Football club, FCC all explain their fees on the website it’s eyewatering!
HEALTHCARE, unfortunately so many things aren’t included in our Health package anymore and we don’t have real insurance Cathay self insure and will only pay for certain things from doctors they choose! Have a look on the website of some local doctors to see how much they will charge your for routine things such as a flu shot, vaccinations required for some of the destinations you will operate too, a medical check up for you and your family! OT&P is one that comes to mind go on their website or send them an email and ask them!
All of these essential items are things that you should very easily be able to afford and more importantly you deserve to be able to afford, you are a profesional aviator at arguably the top of your profession (used to be maybe not anymore) the fact that a legacy premium airline is attempting to make it so their own professionals can not afford access to such essentials is disheartening!
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Crimito - its worse because you will be stuffed into a 400sq ft apartment, living pay cheque to pay cheque, getting absolutely no experience or job satisfaction at all. All you will hear is how the captains have made so much money and continue to live in houses they own and you are struggling to pay rent. '
Then wait until you have kids ha ha ha on the Sh1t COS18 contract you are honestly in trouble.
But good luck to you. Advice is not to burn any bridge at your previous employer.
Then wait until you have kids ha ha ha on the Sh1t COS18 contract you are honestly in trouble.
But good luck to you. Advice is not to burn any bridge at your previous employer.
I am currently waiting to start my type rating with easyJet - which has a good reputation as an employer - and I was just wondering if CX is that bad compared to our situation in Europe. You've already answered to my question.
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CX can't even get the basics right. At a time when resignations are ramping up, and there is a world-wide pilot shortage (with our competitors happily snatching up any CX pilot who applies), Cathay can't even provide the most basic of lifestyle choices to their pilots. Example: W patterns. They have worked perfectly well for years, and provide a bare basic ability for pilots who are awarded them to maintain a semblance of family unity via a commute to and from their home countries. The Airbus fleet now has a rapidly growing long-haul fleet and they could and should provide a selection of W patterns as well. We used to have basing's, temp basing's, base exchanges, 8 weeks leave and a whole host of vehicles that provided a small comfort to those who's families couldn't live in HK for one reason or another. Now, there is almost nothing.
In case management haven't noticed, many expat airlines are now offering guaranteed commuting contracts, with J class seat guarantees to and from your home domicile. If there aren't W's available, I know of many that will be leaving in the next 12 months. The Airbus fleet might want to wake up as well. Of course, this management is tone-deaf to how the industry really operates, and more importantly, they seem to have no consideration towards their employees and their concerns. This airline will fall of a cliff very soon, and this is the sort of reason why.
In case management haven't noticed, many expat airlines are now offering guaranteed commuting contracts, with J class seat guarantees to and from your home domicile. If there aren't W's available, I know of many that will be leaving in the next 12 months. The Airbus fleet might want to wake up as well. Of course, this management is tone-deaf to how the industry really operates, and more importantly, they seem to have no consideration towards their employees and their concerns. This airline will fall of a cliff very soon, and this is the sort of reason why.
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