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CX Roadshow UK... anyone interested...

Old 22nd Oct 2018, 14:05
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Originally Posted by CyberT View Post
Flagler If you have no other options, are desperate, flat out of ideas, Cathay are perfect for you.
Bottom of the barrel but if that's where you are ?
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 16:58
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If you believe them I've got millions in Nigeria I can give you a good price for!!!!
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 18:14
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You can always stay in sunny europe fly 4 legs a day 5 days a week for the next 30 years, with the odd call from stby and 17 hrs duty in the middle of the night. Non existent staff tickets, roster changes weekly or even daily, flying with 21 years old mpls...all of this for half the salary.
You guys are right, no need to attend
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 19:59
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post
You can always stay in sunny europe fly 4 legs a day 5 days a week for the next 30 years, with the odd call from stby and 17 hrs duty in the middle of the night. Non existent staff tickets, roster changes weekly or even daily, flying with 21 years old mpls...all of this for half the salary.
You guys are right, no need to attend
Are you talking about CX or a euro operator? Just confused. Because the above describes CX perfect......

@CX
-4 legs on regional flying on integrated pattern
-Standby? Daily many crew on reserve cannot leave HKG, or have social life.
callouts are numerous daily.
-17 hours through the night, that happens every night in CX, and when on freighter they will pax you wherever the want after the flight.
duty days of 30 hours have been done!!!
- Staff travel....hahahahah we have that in CX but it sucks, most unhelpful people in the company work for staff travel.
no upgrades and you will have to work up a sweat to reach the gate in time.
-Staff travel good thing, we can book other airlines who do value a fellow crewmember. Lufthansa is awseome
Cathay hates their own crew on staff travel plenty cases that airplane left with seats open but staff wasn’t helpful.
-Rosterchanges plenty plenty plenty, weekly,daily, hourly record is 26 in a day i believe. Operations usually clueless and never listen to the crew on scene. Usually any decision taken by operations screws over many crews.
CX got a new rosteringsystem but has it set at MAX F... U CREW, no bidding, bizarre patterns and not very productive rosters.
-MPLs, we have MPLs as well and are hard work because of marginal training, but they will get it in the end. Plenty of young kids with no experience.
Biggest worry is DEFO (bottom of barrel) who have no Clue and some cannot even speak proper english on the radios, training focuses on bullshit trivia and not at task at hand like properly flying through Dahka Myanmar airspace.
- Trainers, the ones joined during trainingban would NEVER have been trainers if there was no trainingban.
iow standards are dropping rapidly and some captains not giving certain background FOs sectors.
-Salary, looks good till you end up in HKG. Also COS18 in effect soon.

So in short.
If you are that ignorant
Feel free to join this Cathay Titanic, we hit the iceberg and are making water
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 06:06
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Hey Flagler,
Happy now?

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...-against-lower
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 06:39
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 09:32
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Yes Cyber T I am still happy to proceed with working for this airline . As I understand it and please correct me if I am wrong but those Adelaide trainee pilots are also happy with the new pay structure, or they would all have left the airline by now.
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 11:48
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Flagler,

You and Cathay are a perfect match, they'll love you. Come on over.
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 12:07
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I suspect you are missing the point.
Flagler doesn't care about having his terms and conditions abused and he is only too willing to ask how "how high?" when mangerment say jump. Cathay will love him, and he'll have all his lowest expectations dashed within a few months of joining (COS19) He'll loveit!!
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 12:22
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Flagler has four posts on PPRuNe. He claims to be experienced. Despite CX ppruners saying don't come unless you have to and offering a kind of sympathy if you do, he's defending the COS 18 a little enthusiastically don't you think?
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 12:38
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It is up to the individual pilot should they decide to accept the terms and conditions on offer, even if revised. Personally I don’t know of any airline in the rest of the world that trains ab initio pilots. There was a few years ago mostly in Europe, and that ceased with the remaining trainees then told to work down the back as cabin crew until a flight deck job materialised. No I am not Management and yes I am looking for a job. I almost didn’t go to the LGW roadshow due to the postings here but I am glad I attended now.
There are far worse deals on offer out there believe me.
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 14:35
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Flagler,
The decision to take the job is, as you say, up to the individual. I do however urge you to mark down this date in your diary and see exactly how long it takes for you to realise that most of what has been stated above re the ability to live in HK on COS18 is spot on. Not all of the posters above are altruistic in their motivation but that doesn't mean the message is not spot on. If you have a family but still insist on coming to HK be brave enough to admit a bad decision was made when you finally realise you should have listened. The price your family will pay is not worth hanging on out of pride. If you don't have a family then good luck to you.

Oh, and can you please let us know how long it takes?
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 19:22
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seeing that new POS18 is like travelling back in time.........

I am a local and this current cos pays less than the one i was offered when I joined all those years ago, yet someone is saying it's great, whatever he's taking might not get him through the AOD testing

I am happy to have my salary cut to that level if the company can make cost of living in HK reduced to over a decade ago
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 20:56
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Flagler is either a company troll, or a complete raving moron. Either way, perfect fit for this place. Welcome
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 11:34
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Flagler
Did you read the bit in the handbook about the company reserving the right to change the “conditions” at their discretion and upon informing the officer they are binding?
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 14:20
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I have a question..as an retired aviator who always wanted to fly for CX..and wanted to live in Hong Kong. ( But Im glad I dont now). I just googled some apartments in the Mid Levels. The rent is about $36000...but I cant work out if thats a year or a month. Assuming its a year..that is half of a SO salary on the new COS. Hoe the hell are does CX expect people to live. Or better still..are people doing their homework before going to Hong Kong. I love Hong Kong to visit...but to live there without housing....no way

And that USD I was talking
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 15:00
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Monthly.... and that seems very reasonable. My rent is over $70K/mo. Goes will with the $50 cokes, $100 beers and a meal for $250. Yup, that SO salary will really take you far !!
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 02:44
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SOPS, the rents you are seeing are monthly (and yes, $36,000 monthly won’t get you much unless you’re out in the sticks).

For the avoidance of doubt, these are Hong Kong dollars, so that $36,000 a month is equal to about $4,600 USD per month. Add utilities, food (expensive), transport (quite reasonable), schools (eye-wateringly expensive) and you can see why anyone who is not originally from HKG, is over 30 and is thinking of having a family, is also thinking of getting out.

Year after year, HKG consistently rates as the most expensive (or second most expensive, some years) place to rent/buy on earth. By comparison, central London, New York, Zurich etc are all cheaper.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 13:13
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Originally Posted by Dan Winterland View Post
One bit of advice I received from an old sage many years ago was never to join a company which had recruitment seminars. Good companies don't need to go out trawling for recruits. The good recruits contact them.
Anyone remember this?

BA Recruitment Seminar HK
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 15:45
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Could well be another roadshow as their A350’s arrive. Big recruitment drive at BA now and through next year. Same for Virgin Atlantic. Everyone has to try their best to attract top talent now as the pilot pool dwindles.
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