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Old 19th Sep 2018, 10:17
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The latest from the DFO

Dear Chris,

Thank you for your explanation of your recent introduction of COS18, an explanation that attempts to defend the indefensible. Let’s start with your first paragraph; You state the company has been “transparent when asked about a new COS”. Really? I don’t recall that being discussed at my recent fleet forum, or actually any mention of a document being prepared by the company for what must have been many, many months, in spite of the AOA honourably dedicating many hours of “Good Faith Bargaining” to reach a fair and reasonable agreement. So, let’s drop talk of being “transparent”. This is nothing more than an ambush. We understand that, and it says everything about the character of this management.You speak of productivity. Well, we all know one pilot that won’t be contributing to that “productivity”. Thanks for playing.

You talk about the “changing economic environment”. It’s quite fascinating that most of the worlds major airlines, with much higher cost basis, are rolling around in record profits AND increasing their pilot pay and benefits. That is nearly all the worlds major airlines, other than CX. I suppose their profits are accidental, and have got nothing to do with their more enlightened managements I suppose?

You state your “determination to bring negotiations to a close”. Let’s examine that statement. What you really mean is that you have played along with the AOA for the requisite time, ignored all the valid issues of dispute they have raised and now are basically saying, “ we have a determination to bring negotiations to a close”. In other words, “s*rew you”. Why don’t we use a bit of intellectual honesty just for once, and admit that there never were any real “negotiations”. CX has no intention of addressing the serious concerns and doubts of their present aircrew. You and your management overlords will simply pretend that you can always source ever cheaper pilots, and they will put up with appalling work and benefit conditions. You care nothing for the present crop of pilots, and have decided to replace us with inexperienced, younger and somewhat naive aircrew from some of the more interesting parts of the world. Well, we’ll see how that works out won’t we?

You mention that a conclusion to negotiations is to “bring certainty and resolution which is “essential and long overdue”. Really? What you mean is that you can’t be bothered to continue the charade anymore and you are convinced that an airline can subsist on cadets and a 3-4 year turnover of pilots (just like your newly selected benchmark airlines). You might as well change the name of our airline, as the airline called Cathay Pacific doesn’t really exist anymore (and looking at the recently painted aircraft with new creative spelling of the name, you are already on that!) Instead, it is really Cheap Pilots that are more important, and would look more appropriate painted on the side of the aircraft.

“We are confident, based on advice we have received (?) that the new COS will ensure we remain a career airline”. Wow. Why don’t you say, “we’ve overpaid a bunch of self-serving consultancy firms and they are giving us the answers they knew we wanted”? That is the only way that statement could make any sense. Why would you need “advice”? Surely all those employee surveys that consistently told you that we are the most dysfunctional airline of the modern age should have given you ALL the answers you needed. I realize that you kept trying to ask the same questions over and over in the different surveys, but perhaps the consistent answers you received might have represented the REAL advice you should have taken. Of course, like everything else to do with this airline, you only hear your own deluded voices.

Career airline? Give us a break. It’s a joke; a sick one and you know it.You talk about other airlines around the world “reducing salaries” and “cancelling pensions”. Hmmm, nearly everything I read lately talks about most airlines doing the exact opposite. Most are rapidly raising pay and benefits, even going as far as to pay significant signing bonuses. You and your Swire masters are seemingly living in a different universe to the rest of the airline industry (at least the industry that believes in stability and shared prosperity with its employees). Your new COS is a complete travesty, and it is a disgrace that you would pretend otherwise. I’m glad you personally are “excited” about CX’s future, but then you would be, as you’ve managed to soak every benefit from her over your career, and now feel your successors should be treated like slaves and dogs.

As far as your closing comments attempting to denigrate the AOA, it says all we need to know about your ability to deal with integrity and honesty. I am not sure who you wrote that for, but I can certainly tell you it wasn’t for the 3500+ pilots of this airline, who well know exactly who is to blame for the current disaster that is CX.

Sleep well Chris.

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Old 19th Sep 2018, 11:59
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Only CX and EK seem to be living is some sort of parallel universe!!!
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 12:26
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Great summary Traf.

I got excited when I saw the section titled, "Confidence in Cathay as a career airline", as I was sure Chris would show his confidence in COS18 by publically announcing that he was accepting COS18 himself and calling on management, both beneath and above, to do likewise.

Imagine the look on Rupert's face if Chris invited him to pay his $HK4,500,000 annual rent out of a $HK360,000 allowance.

Now that would be leading from the front... Ain't goin' to happen round here though. There's no "f" in "Time to win".... But there's two "I"s and a "me".
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 12:41
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May I ask how much Captain Chris is paid.

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Old 19th Sep 2018, 13:41
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Traf is back and bang on form. Hooray.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 14:43
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
May I ask how much Captain Chris is payed???
He's actually drawing two paychecks, one from swire and one from CX. His CX figure is most likely like the old DFO (about 10 mill HKD p.a), his Swire one is secret
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 15:01
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For the love of god, it's PAID....
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 15:32
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Originally Posted by illtellyouhowitis View Post
For the love of god, it's PAID....
settle down, not everyones first language is english
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 18:55
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Excellent posting.

What little credibility our DFO had has certainly dwindled to zero in the span of 3 or 4 newsletters.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 19:50
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Originally Posted by Penske View Post
Excellent posting.

What little credibility our DFO had has certainly dwindled to zero in the span of 3 or 4 newsletters.
Never in the annals of aviation history has one individual been more deserving of the epithet “jellyfish” than CK. I have had the personal experience of observing him in action or more precisely inaction over a very serious incident. Short version all he wished for was that it never been brought to his attention in the first place.

With all due respect to you Penske, the jellyfish has never had any credibility, not even a little.

p.s. excellent dissection of his update by Traflagar.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 20:25
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar
You might as well change the name of the airline, as the airline called Cathay Pacific doesn’t really exist anymore (and looking at the recently painted aircraft with new creative spelling of the name, you are already on that!) Instead, it is really Cheap Pilots that is more important, and would look more appropriate painted on the side of the aircraft.
You may be on to something. I heard somewhere that the name of the airline was intentionally spelled as “PACIIC”. It’s a clever code for ‘Pakistani & Indian Crewed’. Cunning piece of recruiting. Well played Cathay.

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Old 19th Sep 2018, 21:36
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Currently highlighted on the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45572275
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 23:55
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Originally Posted by illtellyouhowitis View Post
For the love of god, it's PAID....
It's ok...SOPS is from Australia
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 01:17
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I fixed it ... 😀😀😀😀
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 03:24
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settle down, not everyones first language is english
Including the aircraft painters it would seem......
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 07:21
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You have to love how the company is willing to pay new joiners more housing allowance than pilots who joined 10 years ago. There's that "caring company" thing again.
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 07:58
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They have a clause saying they can change the block hours target with your consultation. I guess if you are getting close to them, they will move them further out of your reach.
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 12:54
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Traf,
I believe you're thinking too hard in providing a logical response. It's not meant to make any sense, so in the future just reply in kind.

eg:

​​​​​​Dear Chris,

Kudos for creating the bandwidth to reach out and share transparencies in your latest StratCom. COS18 will surely enable a paradigm vector shift in leveraging millennial ensnarement going forward.
Thank you for providing the helicopter view from your wheelhouse: The ground truth circle is squared.

Now, lets put on a record and see who dances.

Luv, Traf


See? much easier.
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 14:15
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Spleener

Good work. Would only modify the last sentence on a minor point of relevance.

"Now, let's put on a record and watch COS18 put the "F" back into Cathay Paciic.

Luv Tra"
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 14:36
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I bow to an obviously more succinct and relevant perspective. Respect.
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