Unleash the Dogs of War!
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Unleash the Dogs of War!
I cannot believe what I am reading from CX!
Scarcely two days after a full-frontal attack on our profession, I am expected to immerse myself in the “Cathay spirit” and deliver the airline from the evil of an approaching mega-typhoon. Get real!
These so-called “masters of the the universe“ have completely screwed this airline, and yet they continue to expect us to roll over and keep submitting to the beatings ... don't they get it!?
And to those long-suffering pilots who simply say “Leave!“ I say “No!“. This is our airline, between us we have invested a thousand times the effort of their pathetic MBAs in the success of the group, and I'm damned if I'm going to stand by idly and watch them [email protected] my profession.
CoS18 is an insult that I am prepared to take personally, and I expect the AOA and DPA to follow suit with every means available.
Nothing less.
Scarcely two days after a full-frontal attack on our profession, I am expected to immerse myself in the “Cathay spirit” and deliver the airline from the evil of an approaching mega-typhoon. Get real!
These so-called “masters of the the universe“ have completely screwed this airline, and yet they continue to expect us to roll over and keep submitting to the beatings ... don't they get it!?
And to those long-suffering pilots who simply say “Leave!“ I say “No!“. This is our airline, between us we have invested a thousand times the effort of their pathetic MBAs in the success of the group, and I'm damned if I'm going to stand by idly and watch them [email protected] my profession.
CoS18 is an insult that I am prepared to take personally, and I expect the AOA and DPA to follow suit with every means available.
Nothing less.
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It is truly amazing: RH in his typhoon speech thanked not only volunteers on their days off for willing to come in to help out but allegedly some offering to return from early from leave to do same. WTF?!
Have to say if I was in RH shoes, I would be questioning why we even give employees so much leave that they can afford to give some back. If they don’t want It all then let’s make it final and cut their COS too.
Have to say if I was in RH shoes, I would be questioning why we even give employees so much leave that they can afford to give some back. If they don’t want It all then let’s make it final and cut their COS too.
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And we know there will be those who already have their bags packed, with their diversion kits at the ready, , just aching to help out.
I’m not personally bothered. Seems many ka pilots usually do the honarable thing and help out when called upon. They keep their phones on , at the ready. Then bitch when they are assigned airport standby all night.
I just don’t understand. Is it just me? ( rhetorical)
I’m not personally bothered. Seems many ka pilots usually do the honarable thing and help out when called upon. They keep their phones on , at the ready. Then bitch when they are assigned airport standby all night.
I just don’t understand. Is it just me? ( rhetorical)
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Originally Posted by Tea time
Until. We start leaning on those errant crew members nothing will change
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The AOA thinks they are playing a game of cricket. A gentleman’s game with players dressed in white having a tea break.
Whilst Management is playing rugby like the Barbarians.
Whilst Management is playing rugby like the Barbarians.
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DS, you need to declare that CX has violated GFB by obviously planning, publishing and announcing this new COS18. There is NOTHING further we as a pilot body should be doing to negotiate. We should simply be providing different scenarios to vote on, including a strike vote that coincides with Christmas/NY. If not, why not? Does anyone think there is a sliver of hope for this management to see reason, fairness and the necessary conditions for a CAREER? (instead of itinerant part time pilots looking for a few hours and then leaving?). Seriously, this airline is finished as a career airline, so why not at least go out in a blaze of glory (strike)?.
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Is it just me that finds it astonishing that according to MH’s Typhoon update that ALL but 2 pilots licences would be affected if all of Sunday’s sim session were cancelled.
How in God’s good name can an airline of this magnitude run like this, with zero buffer or flexibility on expiry dates?
It really beggars belief. Oh wait a minute, no it doesn’t because he also finds it hugely disappointing that a crew member declared unfit and so thwarting their clever plans. Best just ignore why they were unfit of course.
How in God’s good name can an airline of this magnitude run like this, with zero buffer or flexibility on expiry dates?
It really beggars belief. Oh wait a minute, no it doesn’t because he also finds it hugely disappointing that a crew member declared unfit and so thwarting their clever plans. Best just ignore why they were unfit of course.
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He really should read the Labour Dept’s latest guidance on working in Typhoons.
https://www.labour.gov.hk/eng/public/wcp/Rainstorm.pdf
All KA’s sims today are cancelled by the way.
https://www.labour.gov.hk/eng/public/wcp/Rainstorm.pdf
All KA’s sims today are cancelled by the way.
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Originally Posted by Frank W. Abagnale
The dogs of war, which the AOA possesses, are a couple of Chihuahuas.
“With rubber teeth !”
So that’s where the infamous “rubber dogshit out of Hong Kong” comes from!
Originally Posted by Frank W. Abagnale
The dogs of war, which the AOA possesses, are a couple of Chihuahuas.
“With rubber teeth !”
So that’s where the infamous “rubber dogshit out of Hong Kong” comes from!
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For those who have yet to apply, I'm sure you have now seen what conditions CX/KA is going to give you, and I'm sure you will make the right decision.
But for those who are currently in training, what they feel is simply betrayal. Doesn't matter what the terms are in their sponsorship contract, the condition COS18 gives is simply not what they expected, when they started to invest in their time and effort for, and give up any other career opportunities to pursue their passion. There are already too many risks between the time they start their training and joining the company. The last thing they want is to see a career, and job security degradation when they are just months off end of their training. Does the higher management really want to let their new joiners feel gutted, cheated and betrayal, even before Day 1 they join the company?
Not sure what move CX/KA is going for, but this betrayal will only give extreme disappointment to their new "brushwingers", and, you expect them to "boost productivity" for you?
But for those who are currently in training, what they feel is simply betrayal. Doesn't matter what the terms are in their sponsorship contract, the condition COS18 gives is simply not what they expected, when they started to invest in their time and effort for, and give up any other career opportunities to pursue their passion. There are already too many risks between the time they start their training and joining the company. The last thing they want is to see a career, and job security degradation when they are just months off end of their training. Does the higher management really want to let their new joiners feel gutted, cheated and betrayal, even before Day 1 they join the company?
Not sure what move CX/KA is going for, but this betrayal will only give extreme disappointment to their new "brushwingers", and, you expect them to "boost productivity" for you?
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It used to take 2 - 3 years for a new joiner to hate the management. Now it is normal for them to hate the management even before they leave the School. Little wonder they are leaving in such numbers.
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Originally Posted by Cant_Believe_it
For those who have yet to apply, I'm sure you have now seen what conditions CX/KA is going to give you, and I'm sure you will make the right decision.
But for those who are currently in training, what they feel is simply betrayal. Doesn't matter what the terms are in their sponsorship contract, the condition COS18 gives is simply not what they expected, when they started to invest in their time and effort for, and give up any other career opportunities to pursue their passion. There are already too many risks between the time they start their training and joining the company. The last thing they want is to see a career, and job security degradation when they are just months off their training. Does the higher management really want to let their new joiners feel gutted, cheated and betrayal, even before Day 1 they join the company?
Not sure what move CX/KA is going for, but this betrayal will only give extreme disappointment to their new "brushwingers", and, you expect them to "boost productivity" for you?
But for those who are currently in training, what they feel is simply betrayal. Doesn't matter what the terms are in their sponsorship contract, the condition COS18 gives is simply not what they expected, when they started to invest in their time and effort for, and give up any other career opportunities to pursue their passion. There are already too many risks between the time they start their training and joining the company. The last thing they want is to see a career, and job security degradation when they are just months off their training. Does the higher management really want to let their new joiners feel gutted, cheated and betrayal, even before Day 1 they join the company?
Not sure what move CX/KA is going for, but this betrayal will only give extreme disappointment to their new "brushwingers", and, you expect them to "boost productivity" for you?
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That’s correct. They generally wait 4-5 years until they have some experience and then leave. Though I dare say the reality of living on COS 18 will have them out the door sooner.
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Originally Posted by unitedabx
And to date not a single cadet has resigned or taken the option to complete the training then leave. The company know this and will capitalise on it. They can say they pitched the new COS at market levels and it is working.
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Originally Posted by Clear_sky
That’s correct. They generally wait 4-5 years until they have some experience and then leave. Though I dare say the reality of living on COS 18 will have them out the door sooner.
