HNA going down?
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They're asking their own staff to buy shares in it to prop it up.
Isn’t going anywhere?
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You wish MC, you wish. That would be a CX management wet dream. Regardless, all you would accomplish is replacing the current CX pilots with their pilots. Pushes your eventual armageddon off by about 18 months. Nothing will save CX from their current feckless, clueless and vacuous management, which you are playing your own "useful idiot" part to an oscar winning level no doubt.
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You wish MC, you wish. That would be a CX management wet dream. Regardless, all you would accomplish is replacing the current CX pilots with their pilots. Pushes your eventual armageddon off by about 18 months. Nothing will save CX from their current feckless, clueless and vacuous management, which you are playing your own "useful idiot" part to an oscar winning level no doubt.
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MC. What on earth are you blabbering on about? Nowhere in that post did I say the "financial situation is looking wonderful". I said that regardless, nothing that happens with HKA will help your incompetent management for long. You and your kind have driven this airline into the ground, and it's sadly amusing that you have come to believe that the only "salvation" for crewing the aircraft is the hopeful failure of a local competitor. That says about all that needs saying regarding the Swire "vision" for the future. Ironically, not even that event would really make any difference in the long run, as you will be spending most of your time desperately trying to lie and deceive the naive young inexperienced pilots you managed to con into joining, while at the same time the flood gates of resignations are open wide. The ONLY thing that will help this company is if there was a wholesale replacement of the spent force called Swire, and outside, fresh thinking and enlightened management comes in with new ideas, and a fresh vision. We all know that won't happen. One day the Swires will be sitting in their boardroom in London wondering just where it all went wrong for the once great airline called CX, not having even the slightest insight into their own key part in the tragedy they will have then wreaked on the airline and it's staff. You, and the rest of the Swire culture is toxic. You only succeeded due to a monopoly position, and now that the winds of competition are beginning to blow, you are clueless. Ultimately, it will be on your/Swire shoulders. Of course, you'll still be blaming the pilots, even then.
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MC. What on earth are you blabbering on about? Nowhere in that post did I say the "financial situation is looking wonderful". I said that regardless, nothing that happens with HKA will help your incompetent management for long. You and your kind have driven this airline into the ground, and it's sadly amusing that you have come to believe that the only "salvation" for crewing the aircraft is the hopeful failure of a local competitor. That says about all that needs saying regarding the Swire "vision" for the future. Ironically, not even that event would really make any difference in the long run, as you will be spending most of your time desperately trying to lie and deceive the naive young inexperienced pilots you managed to con into joining, while at the same time the flood gates of resignations are open wide. The ONLY thing that will help this company is if there was a wholesale replacement of the spent force called Swire, and outside, fresh thinking and enlightened management comes in with new ideas, and a fresh vision. We all know that won't happen. One day the Swires will be sitting in their boardroom in London wondering just where it all went wrong for the once great airline called CX, not having even the slightest insight into their own key part in the tragedy they will have then wreaked on the airline and it's staff. You, and the rest of the Swire culture is toxic. You only succeeded due to a monopoly position, and now that the winds of competition are beginning to blow, you are clueless. Ultimately, it will be on your/Swire shoulders. Of course, you'll still be blaming the pilots, even then.
"New ideas and fresh vision" Sounds rosy, throw in pink unicorns and houses made of candy.
Any thoughts on what this might actually be? If you don't have any then you don't understand the aviation market and if you don't understand the aviation market then why do you comment? Sadly every analyst and consultant (I stopped reading after 23 reports/insights) says there is one main expense that needs to be reduced to increase profitability. You're not going to like what it is.
Any chance you could offer one viable alternative for all the "tricked into joining" new joiners out there? Every S/O I fly with is sick of some old guy telling him CX is terrible when in actual fact they are clueless about the job alternatives. What alternatives?
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A word of Advice ?
You mean the guys who know the cost of living in HK, the guys who know what CX has and is still doing to COS over 25+ years, the guys who have first hand experience of what lengths CX will go to to regarding "stripping" (often called "enhancements")of now and future benefits...
shortly2 is bereft of any common sense whatsoever and being disingenuous. If you don't solicit information from those with past experience you then make poor decisions because you lack insight and knowledge of the situation..
Don't listen to shortly2... !!
Listen and get information from everyone or pay the price by making misinformed decisions for you and your family.
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“There are a lot of ex-CX crew and office staff at these airlines and highly doubt they would go back there...”
until they have to pay their next ridiculous HK monthly rental payment and then they will accept their job back at CX on less than when they left....
until they have to pay their next ridiculous HK monthly rental payment and then they will accept their job back at CX on less than when they left....
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Someday, CX might learn that putting a constant squeeze on the employees doesn’t make for a very good airline. CX should be pressing vendors and suppliers for lower prices, not employees. CX does just the opposite, pouring overpriced services by Swire entities into the airline and haranguing their employees. Duh!!!
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Well, after 25 yrs of the constant squeeze, i'm not so sure Swire will wake up to the obvious. In fact, evidence to date suggests that they never wake up to anything (other than their own bonuses). They certainly are proving to be incapable of running an airline in a competitive environment. Product, quality, marketing, innovation...every single area they are lacking in. There is no hope for CX unless it is sold and the Swire's are eradicated from our management.
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Airbus faces a logjam of undelivered A330 jets worth well over $1 billion for airlines affiliated to China's debt-laden HNA Group following a stand-off over late payments. Companies belonging to the Chinese conglomerate have delayed payments for several months, leading Airbus to withdraw deliveries rather than step in to finance the aircraft itself.
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Airbus faces a logjam of undelivered A330 jets worth well over $1 billion for airlines affiliated to China's debt-laden HNA Group following a stand-off over late payments. Companies belonging to the Chinese conglomerate have delayed payments for several months, leading Airbus to withdraw deliveries rather than step in to finance the aircraft itself.
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Would lead you to believe Airbus didn't think they'd get paid even if they financed it themselves. Pity it's not Boeing and they could use EXIM to guarantee the payment, makes it easy to sell, for instance, 737's by the hundreds to anyone and I mean anyone who wants them.
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