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Old 26th May 2018, 02:51
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Devil RP18

Hearing rumors that a deal has been reached over RP's

So we can safely assume amongst other things that ...

O days have been scrapped
Credit free reserve has been scrapped
Credit for a leave day = 84 / 30
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Old 26th May 2018, 12:51
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Hahaha. Yes, that's exactly what "improvements in language" means...

Sign of things to come. I.e sweet FA

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Old 27th May 2018, 03:40
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“this in-principle agreement is conditional on reaching an overall agreement on other matters”...

Translation, we’ll slightly improve the wording (but still retain the ability to do as we please with new, imaginative interpretations of said wording) as soon as you stop this pesky training ban.
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Old 27th May 2018, 07:30
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So the "we have instructed the NC to walk away at first sign of.." was just posturing. It must be if "improvements to language" is worthy of an email.
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Old 27th May 2018, 13:36
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We, the membership said "No Concessions". Any concessions in a TA then we know exactly how to vote. We are all wise to the fact that a concession maybe dressed up in fancy wording to not appear as a concession but we are all smart ladies and lads and can see through that in an instant.
In addition we DO NOT PAY to regain anything that was unilaterally taken away from us. Try anything like that and there will be a huge NO vote.
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Old 27th May 2018, 15:44
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A NO vote from YOU and ME maybe.

But look at the posts from our SOs. Listen to the moans from the likes of nosetothegrindstone (or whatever his name is) and even though the warnings were written here, they still came.

They are the majority. And a few measley grand to HKPA with an end to the TB so they can finally sit in the right seat of the not so shiny jet will easily swing the vote.
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Old 27th May 2018, 16:16
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So let me get this straight. An SO would vote for marginally (and very marginally at that compared with years past) better conditions today fully well knowing that a few years down the line if he winds up staying he will be dramatically worse off.

Sounds like nuts to me.
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Old 27th May 2018, 16:27
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Not if you plan to leave once you have some meaningful hours other than P2X. Faster upgrade, bit more cash then leave. These are people with no loyalty to CX, accepted reduced conditions then complained, I don't expect any solidarity from many tbh.
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Old 27th May 2018, 16:41
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So let me get this straight. An SO would vote for marginally (and very marginally at that compared with years past) better conditions today fully well knowing that a few years down the line if he winds up staying he will be dramatically worse off.

Sounds like nuts to me.
Yes!!! You want proof? They came here in the first place!! Whats more nuts than that?

Like I wrote in another thread, when you prepare for your interview with CX via research etc, PPRuNe always comes in the top 10. All the warning were there but they ignored it!!

I'm not talking about the starry eyed spikey haired wannabe in their early twenties that everyone here belittles. I'm talking about our 30-40 year old Dash-8 Qantas link guys (and equivalent) who risked everything including their families because Cathay told them they will be a JFO in 2 years. These are the ones with SJS. And will ultimately vote yes for 2 things and 2 things only.

Increase in HKPA. End to TB to get that P1 rating. Then they'll bugger off.
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Old 27th May 2018, 19:42
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Originally Posted by betpump5 View Post
Yes!!! You want proof? They came here in the first place!! Whats more nuts than that?

Like I wrote in another thread, when you prepare for your interview with CX via research etc, PPRuNe always comes in the top 10. All the warning were there but they ignored it!!

I'm not talking about the starry eyed spikey haired wannabe in their early twenties that everyone here belittles. I'm talking about our 30-40 year old Dash-8 Qantas link guys (and equivalent) who risked everything including their families because Cathay told them they will be a JFO in 2 years. These are the ones with SJS. And will ultimately vote yes for 2 things and 2 things only.

Increase in HKPA. End to TB to get that P1 rating. Then they'll bugger off.
Wow.....guess it's more like Locust Pilot Syndrome then.

Come in, destroy everything for everyone downline of you including those who got here decades before you, then bug out.

There really isn't any way at all to fix the situation then. Except get while the gettin's good.
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Old 27th May 2018, 21:45
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Originally Posted by Shep69 View Post
So let me get this straight. An SO would vote for marginally (and very marginally at that compared with years past) better conditions today fully well knowing that a few years down the line if he winds up staying he will be dramatically worse off.

Sounds like nuts to me.
Yes, they would. A few more $, some P1 time, then they are gone.

Easy fix. The CG shall not present to the membership for a vote any TA which has any concessions. One pilot group shall not pay for an improvement in conditions of any other pilot group. We have done this too many times before. We can always walk away.
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Old 27th May 2018, 23:00
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It is the old story.

How often have we heard the same line on the dlight deck at 4am.

”Yeah...but it is still better than

Living in the Territory (for our non-Aussies/Kiwis we are talking about some abo community in the NT)

Ryanair/Vueling/Wizzair/Vietjet

South Africa

Doing night freight in a Shorts or Metro out if Glasgow or Bankstown

Instructing 400 miles east of Perth

Qlink

bla bla bla”

...and lets not even talk about the majority of our pissweak HKG locals who just sit there, say nothing and let the Gweilos do all the industrial work. (Still better than HKA?!)
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Old 28th May 2018, 00:39
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FFS, why should non-union members get any info on negotiations. Discuss on the union site.
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Old 28th May 2018, 00:52
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First of all, the SOs are not the majority...and secondly, even among their ranks a significant portion are smart enough to not vote in favour of a weak agreement that would deminish their future pay and benefits. Secondly, the Company made the silly error of pitching their last offer to only 51% of the membership, with no margin for error, and the vote for acceptance fell short to 47%. They should have pitched it to 70% to ensure a comfortable margin of victory. They didn’t and the past two years of industrial strife was the result. Thirdly, the GC is smart enough to not present a package to the membership that favors only one group of pilots. A fracture would be the outcome of doing something that dumb.

Any silly repeat of past negotiation posturing and obstinance by the Company should result in the AOA immediately walking away...We’ve reached the point where the Company needs to end the training ban. The ball is in their court.


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Old 28th May 2018, 04:52
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All those 777 locals are waiting on the 787s at HKA to come over on short courses.
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Old 28th May 2018, 09:57
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Two to three years to command. Might as well go for it at HKA. CX is dead.
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Old 28th May 2018, 14:01
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Very simple - any concessions - vote NO.
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Old 28th May 2018, 15:09
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Oh dear... Oh dear...
O Days are still on aparantley.
Forget your social life, if you have one.
New contract coming out soon.
RP18? = RP15
Infact dream on and keep on Ranting
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Old 28th May 2018, 16:23
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Thirdly, the GC is smart enough to not present a package to the membership that favors only one group of pilots. A fracture would be the outcome of doing something that dumb.
Errmmm.....the last TA?
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Old 29th May 2018, 06:57
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Company is playing with fire. By the end of 2018, it will be a mass exodus if RP and contract aren’t fix.
Peoples feel largely betrayed and many aren’t willing to put up with this circus anymore.
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