RP18
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RP18
Hearing rumors that a deal has been reached over RP's
So we can safely assume amongst other things that ...
O days have been scrapped
Credit free reserve has been scrapped
Credit for a leave day = 84 / 30
So we can safely assume amongst other things that ...
O days have been scrapped
Credit free reserve has been scrapped
Credit for a leave day = 84 / 30
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From: Krug departure, Merlot transition
“this in-principle agreement is conditional on reaching an overall agreement on other matters”...
Translation, we’ll slightly improve the wording (but still retain the ability to do as we please with new, imaginative interpretations of said wording) as soon as you stop this pesky training ban.
Translation, we’ll slightly improve the wording (but still retain the ability to do as we please with new, imaginative interpretations of said wording) as soon as you stop this pesky training ban.
Joined: Jun 2005
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From: Brisbane
We, the membership said "No Concessions". Any concessions in a TA then we know exactly how to vote. We are all wise to the fact that a concession maybe dressed up in fancy wording to not appear as a concession but we are all smart ladies and lads and can see through that in an instant.
In addition we DO NOT PAY to regain anything that was unilaterally taken away from us. Try anything like that and there will be a huge NO vote.
In addition we DO NOT PAY to regain anything that was unilaterally taken away from us. Try anything like that and there will be a huge NO vote.
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From: VHHH Ocean 2D
A NO vote from YOU and ME maybe.
But look at the posts from our SOs. Listen to the moans from the likes of nosetothegrindstone (or whatever his name is) and even though the warnings were written here, they still came.
They are the majority. And a few measley grand to HKPA with an end to the TB so they can finally sit in the right seat of the not so shiny jet will easily swing the vote.
But look at the posts from our SOs. Listen to the moans from the likes of nosetothegrindstone (or whatever his name is) and even though the warnings were written here, they still came.
They are the majority. And a few measley grand to HKPA with an end to the TB so they can finally sit in the right seat of the not so shiny jet will easily swing the vote.
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From: US
So let me get this straight. An SO would vote for marginally (and very marginally at that compared with years past) better conditions today fully well knowing that a few years down the line if he winds up staying he will be dramatically worse off.
Sounds like nuts to me.
Sounds like nuts to me.
Joined: May 2009
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From: HKG
Not if you plan to leave once you have some meaningful hours other than P2X. Faster upgrade, bit more cash then leave. These are people with no loyalty to CX, accepted reduced conditions then complained, I don't expect any solidarity from many tbh.
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From: VHHH Ocean 2D
So let me get this straight. An SO would vote for marginally (and very marginally at that compared with years past) better conditions today fully well knowing that a few years down the line if he winds up staying he will be dramatically worse off.
Sounds like nuts to me.
Sounds like nuts to me.
Like I wrote in another thread, when you prepare for your interview with CX via research etc, PPrune always comes in the top 10. All the warning were there but they ignored it!!
I'm not talking about the starry eyed spikey haired wannabe in their early twenties that everyone here belittles. I'm talking about our 30-40 year old Dash-8 Qantas link guys (and equivalent) who risked everything including their families because Cathay told them they will be a JFO in 2 years. These are the ones with SJS. And will ultimately vote yes for 2 things and 2 things only.
Increase in HKPA. End to TB to get that P1 rating. Then they'll bugger off.
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From: US
Yes!!! You want proof? They came here in the first place!! Whats more nuts than that?
Like I wrote in another thread, when you prepare for your interview with CX via research etc, PPrune always comes in the top 10. All the warning were there but they ignored it!!
I'm not talking about the starry eyed spikey haired wannabe in their early twenties that everyone here belittles. I'm talking about our 30-40 year old Dash-8 Qantas link guys (and equivalent) who risked everything including their families because Cathay told them they will be a JFO in 2 years. These are the ones with SJS. And will ultimately vote yes for 2 things and 2 things only.
Increase in HKPA. End to TB to get that P1 rating. Then they'll bugger off.
Like I wrote in another thread, when you prepare for your interview with CX via research etc, PPrune always comes in the top 10. All the warning were there but they ignored it!!
I'm not talking about the starry eyed spikey haired wannabe in their early twenties that everyone here belittles. I'm talking about our 30-40 year old Dash-8 Qantas link guys (and equivalent) who risked everything including their families because Cathay told them they will be a JFO in 2 years. These are the ones with SJS. And will ultimately vote yes for 2 things and 2 things only.
Increase in HKPA. End to TB to get that P1 rating. Then they'll bugger off.
Come in, destroy everything for everyone downline of you including those who got here decades before you, then bug out.
There really isn't any way at all to fix the situation then. Except get while the gettin's good.
Joined: Mar 2015
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From: HKG
Easy fix. The CG shall not present to the membership for a vote any TA which has any concessions. One pilot group shall not pay for an improvement in conditions of any other pilot group. We have done this too many times before. We can always walk away.
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From: Asia
It is the old story.
How often have we heard the same line on the dlight deck at 4am.
”Yeah...but it is still better than
Living in the Territory (for our non-Aussies/Kiwis we are talking about some abo community in the NT)
Ryanair/Vueling/Wizzair/Vietjet
South Africa
Doing night freight in a Shorts or Metro out if Glasgow or Bankstown
Instructing 400 miles east of Perth
Qlink
bla bla bla”
...and lets not even talk about the majority of our pissweak HKG locals who just sit there, say nothing and let the Gweilos do all the industrial work. (Still better than HKA?!)
How often have we heard the same line on the dlight deck at 4am.
”Yeah...but it is still better than
Living in the Territory (for our non-Aussies/Kiwis we are talking about some abo community in the NT)
Ryanair/Vueling/Wizzair/Vietjet
South Africa
Doing night freight in a Shorts or Metro out if Glasgow or Bankstown
Instructing 400 miles east of Perth
Qlink
bla bla bla”
...and lets not even talk about the majority of our pissweak HKG locals who just sit there, say nothing and let the Gweilos do all the industrial work. (Still better than HKA?!)
Joined: Oct 2007
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From: Hong Kong
First of all, the SOs are not the majority...and secondly, even among their ranks a significant portion are smart enough to not vote in favour of a weak agreement that would deminish their future pay and benefits. Secondly, the Company made the silly error of pitching their last offer to only 51% of the membership, with no margin for error, and the vote for acceptance fell short to 47%. They should have pitched it to 70% to ensure a comfortable margin of victory. They didn’t and the past two years of industrial strife was the result. Thirdly, the GC is smart enough to not present a package to the membership that favors only one group of pilots. A fracture would be the outcome of doing something that dumb.
Any silly repeat of past negotiation posturing and obstinance by the Company should result in the AOA immediately walking away...We’ve reached the point where the Company needs to end the training ban. The ball is in their court.
Any silly repeat of past negotiation posturing and obstinance by the Company should result in the AOA immediately walking away...We’ve reached the point where the Company needs to end the training ban. The ball is in their court.