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What to do with DEFO who can't fly

Old 23rd May 2018, 21:48
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What to do with DEFO who can't fly

DEFO onto 747. Couldn't fly two eng out for 528. What do you do?

STC recommended termination due to lack of fly ability. Company moved her to 777 - easier to fly, no need to handle 2 out on one wing.

Good to see standards are being upheld!
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Old 23rd May 2018, 22:32
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Initials please. It will be researched and dealt with.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 23:29
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Last year a DEFO got demoted to SO due to performance.

Another 777 conversion a couple hundred numbers out of seniority? Nooo, not in Cathay.

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Old 24th May 2018, 03:43
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Standards - Not

The Jellyfish and his predecessor implemented "Flexistandards" so they can hire anyone and once here, you never get fired.
Even more sad, both these "leaders" were onboard with the firing of 600 but low cost flight crew who don't have the ability to properly carry out the duties of their position get to stay.
Maybe this is one of the DFO's "diversity" programs ?

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Old 24th May 2018, 04:15
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Maybe that's why she's been so quiet lately.
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Old 24th May 2018, 05:16
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Danger

Originally Posted by controlledrest View Post
DEFO onto 747. Couldn't fly two eng out for 528. What do you do?

STC recommended termination due to lack of fly ability. Company moved her to 777 - easier to fly, no need to handle 2 out on one wing.

Good to see standards are being upheld!
More than the 528 STC recommended stopping training, others as well. Think that through.. Welcome to the 777, the "flexistandards" charity fleet.

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Old 24th May 2018, 05:33
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Well, she can be certain of never getting a sector from me. Still need to know the initials, but will figure it out through the system regardless. Can't believe what is going on with this airline. And who in the training dept thought it would be a good idea to just transfer her to the 777 fleet? Will make for an interesting legal case if and when there was an incident regarding her. Best thing to do is make it clear that she and her 'skills' are probably best employed elsewhere. What a show this airline has become. Time to win...but getting a job with a sane and stable carrier. Cxit.
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Old 24th May 2018, 05:35
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Oh, and this little link regarding Jet2 is interesting. Seems like a nice carrier, which is obviously growing quickly. Point 11 however reminds me that whoever that manager was in charge of that marketing program, obviously has the morals (!) to get a job at CX.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/t...gures-history/
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Old 24th May 2018, 06:11
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Devil Flexistandards or NO Standards

Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
Well, she can be certain of never getting a sector from me. Still need to know the initials, but will figure it out through the system regardless. Can't believe what is going on with this airline. And who in the training dept thought it would be a good idea to just transfer her to the 777 fleet? Will make for an interesting legal case if and when there was an incident regarding her. Best thing to do is make it clear that she and her 'skills' are probably best employed elsewhere. What a show this airline has become. Time to win...but getting a job with a sane and stable carrier. Cxit.
Who in the training dept.? The training leader of course, there is only one these days.
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Old 24th May 2018, 06:30
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It's now got to the point that RQ DEFOs with lower seniority than some SOs are requesting to be paired with TT SOs instead of cadet JFOs as they don't feel confident enough should a situation arise!! Capts' enjoy your rest confident in the knowledge that your crew will act accordingly!! Just don't tell the passengers! 😮
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Old 24th May 2018, 07:36
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Sadly not an isolated case.
Standards have dropped and are dropping faster then a toolkit.
The lack of basic skills is astounding.

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Old 24th May 2018, 07:54
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Have had to input on controls 5 times the first 4 months of this year on FO landings (with still a heavy landing resulting). Not rhetoric, but fact. Ten years ago, maybe twice a year max. The facts of what is going on in the operation are what they are, and they don't make for pretty reading. Of course, the management will continue to pretend that nothing has changed. Prepare for the front page of the SCMP sometime in the next decade. Inevitable.
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Old 24th May 2018, 07:55
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Oh, and how does the company justify and rationalize a FO who is so tiny she can't manipulate the controls fully? Just asking... (and there is more than one fyi).
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Old 24th May 2018, 08:28
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Originally Posted by controlledrest View Post
DEFO onto 747. Couldn't fly two eng out for 528. What do you do?

STC recommended termination due to lack of fly ability. Company moved her to 777 - easier to fly, no need to handle 2 out on one wing.

Good to see standards are being upheld!

what a joke this airline is.
My question to all captains out there is how do you sleep in the bunk when you know you have inexperience up at the Controls?

Capatins need to wake up! You in charge of this ship.
Hope that trainer has resigned or is his life to cushy.

You all bring it on yourself.

As for the training department. What a 1234 up.
Useless good for nothing

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Old 24th May 2018, 10:49
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BTTGS. You are the joke. A wannabe who thinks his opinion has any validity, other than emanating the stench of management input. Run along now, your mommy is calling. (and please, sort out the spelling and grammar, thank you)
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Old 24th May 2018, 12:17
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
BTTGS. You are the joke. A wannabe who thinks his opinion has any validity, other than emanating the stench of management input. Run along now, your mommy is calling. (and please, sort out the spelling and grammar, thank you)
ha ha ha shame all you can do is attack my spelling and age. That’s cute.
My vote goes against you! Easy the company just got a YES. Easy


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Old 24th May 2018, 12:51
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Originally Posted by dctPub View Post
Ok grindstone I understand you are angry but why the F**K would you ever give this company anything. I am in the same position as you but I will never, ever during the time that I have left here will ever help the company or vote favorably towards ANY agreement. This company can burn for all I care, wouldn't piss on the fire to put it out.

The only people to blame for delayed upgrades are the slimy c***s on the 3rd floor and upwards. Not your fellow crew.
So Capt that are taking the TC positions as we speak are not to blame ?
please you are naive to think that anyone in this airline cares about the fellow Crew they fly with ? It proves. Everyone f12kibg everyone over for rest etc. It’s sicking.
People still taking G day flights - screwing there fellow crew mates.

Open your eyes.....
Take what you can from this company and leave. Vote for what is best for you. Cause we all know the noise ARAPA guys make when it’s housing on the chopping block. Any noise for SO help “fellow crew members” ?
Anyone gonna complain about this DEFO that is now on the 777 ?

RightO

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Old 24th May 2018, 13:28
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Originally Posted by Dan Buster View Post
On the bright side, the Freighter pilots now have a proven way onto the Pax fleet.
I snorted on my evening coffee when I read that....the hilarity was more than I could bare.
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Old 24th May 2018, 13:55
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Originally Posted by controlledrest View Post
DEFO onto 747. Couldn't fly two eng out for 528. What do you do?

STC recommended termination due to lack of fly ability. Company moved her to 777 - easier to fly, no need to handle 2 out on one wing.
Please excuse my ignorance on this aspect, am I to assume a 747 with no engines working under one wing is fundamentally different in the pilot skill context to a 777 with no engine working under one wing?
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Old 24th May 2018, 16:01
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As someone who has flown both, essentially no difference, thereby further highlighting the absurdity of CX's "solution" to the problem with said DEFO. Of course, our management have continued to insist that the CX of today (hundreds of low time pilots, limited experience, ballet dancers and LGBT's) is JUST the same as the CX of old, which hired only very experienced FO's, who had proven their abilities, either in the civil aviation world or the western militaries. As you can see, there couldn't possibly be any lowering of standards.
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