Jumseating on US Carriers for CX Crew
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Jumseating on US Carriers for CX Crew
Does any of you at CX based in the US uses jumpseat privileges or some sort of interline discount tickets?
How is it working out since 9/11?
Able to jumpseat easy with CX ID badge?
How do you purchase interline tickets?
How much interline tickets cost?
Looking for possible commute ATL - JFK.
Thanks mates.
How is it working out since 9/11?
Able to jumpseat easy with CX ID badge?
How do you purchase interline tickets?
How much interline tickets cost?
Looking for possible commute ATL - JFK.
Thanks mates.
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The actual Jumpseating in the US is not longer approved, unless you work for that same air line.
Pilot can request a jumpseat ride in another carrier and if granted, you have to seat in the back. If the flight is full and the J/Ss are open, sorry you won't go anywhere. ahh in other to do that you airline needs to have a J/S agreement with your airline.
It will be extremly hard (since Sept) to allow a jumpseater from a carrier other than a US ones that operates under 121 or 135 FAA Regulations. (I think CX is 129 (but not sure))
Interline tickets have to be purchased with your air airline and is usually a 90% discount of the coach full fare (Y code) since full fares are usually the same in every carrier once you have your ticket let's said a DL from ATL-LAX you maybe able to used the same paper to go with AA if DL is full.
ID 90's have the lowest priority so before you are granted a seat another employee from that airline or even a jumpseater from a different US Airline will have priority over you.
This information is correct as best of my knowledge, I used to commute for several years until I got the ax in Jan like many other pilots in the US.
Hope this help a little enjoy the commute,
Pilot can request a jumpseat ride in another carrier and if granted, you have to seat in the back. If the flight is full and the J/Ss are open, sorry you won't go anywhere. ahh in other to do that you airline needs to have a J/S agreement with your airline.
It will be extremly hard (since Sept) to allow a jumpseater from a carrier other than a US ones that operates under 121 or 135 FAA Regulations. (I think CX is 129 (but not sure))
Interline tickets have to be purchased with your air airline and is usually a 90% discount of the coach full fare (Y code) since full fares are usually the same in every carrier once you have your ticket let's said a DL from ATL-LAX you maybe able to used the same paper to go with AA if DL is full.
ID 90's have the lowest priority so before you are granted a seat another employee from that airline or even a jumpseater from a different US Airline will have priority over you.
This information is correct as best of my knowledge, I used to commute for several years until I got the ax in Jan like many other pilots in the US.
Hope this help a little enjoy the commute,
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Good info.
I am aware of the new rules as far as the actual J/S use concerned. Not very good for the commuters.
I am not sure if the US based (USABasings) CX freighters do operate under 121 or 129? Do they have reciprocal agreement for J/S or ID 90 (interline agreement) with any US carrier?
Some carriers, if I recall correctly, do not have a list, but rather all 121 pilots welcome. (Southwest)???
Happy Trails!
I am aware of the new rules as far as the actual J/S use concerned. Not very good for the commuters.
I am not sure if the US based (USABasings) CX freighters do operate under 121 or 129? Do they have reciprocal agreement for J/S or ID 90 (interline agreement) with any US carrier?
Some carriers, if I recall correctly, do not have a list, but rather all 121 pilots welcome. (Southwest)???
Happy Trails!
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HI Jump.
I am looking also at the possibilty of a job with CX in JFK.
The Jump Seat deal looks pretty bad, and the company will not give you ID 90's until you have passed a certain period.(I believe it is 6 months)
If I do get the job I will need to commute from MIA or FLL, and it is not looking good. The only manner that is looking positive is just paying for my tickets with a company like JetBlue. I would recomend you to do the same with Air Tran.
Let me know if you have any more ideas.
Bubye.
I am looking also at the possibilty of a job with CX in JFK.
The Jump Seat deal looks pretty bad, and the company will not give you ID 90's until you have passed a certain period.(I believe it is 6 months)
If I do get the job I will need to commute from MIA or FLL, and it is not looking good. The only manner that is looking positive is just paying for my tickets with a company like JetBlue. I would recomend you to do the same with Air Tran.
Let me know if you have any more ideas.
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Jumpseats
Even before 9/11 you had to work for a US carrier to qualify for a jumpseat. One exception ( possibly more, but not the majors) was AWA.(for CX anyway). Of course if you get a good guy on a good day...
I know Blue Eagle will throw a hairy fit but you need fair warning.
IF, and I mean IF you join whilst the IFALPA ban is in place your name will go on the jumpseat protection list, and stay there....period. I.E. No jumpseat ever on a US carrier.
Blue Eagle.
If you think this information needs to be hidden...then so be it. But this isn't a threat, it's info that needs to be out there and is a straight answer to the question asked. I am not inferring that the questioner is joining against the ban. In fact being a N American I assume he/she isn't. To deny this information would be just plain wrong.
grovel grovel...
I know Blue Eagle will throw a hairy fit but you need fair warning.
IF, and I mean IF you join whilst the IFALPA ban is in place your name will go on the jumpseat protection list, and stay there....period. I.E. No jumpseat ever on a US carrier.
Blue Eagle.
If you think this information needs to be hidden...then so be it. But this isn't a threat, it's info that needs to be out there and is a straight answer to the question asked. I am not inferring that the questioner is joining against the ban. In fact being a N American I assume he/she isn't. To deny this information would be just plain wrong.
grovel grovel...
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Border Line.
OK Middle, grovel accepted, what you have posted is up to the wire but just on the safe side, not too specific in reference, no links or detail in depth etc. and no overt threat to 'out' an individual.
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Thanks for all the replies.
Good information, just what I was looking for.
Middle, I thank you for the cautionary statement. It has a right place on this board, to inform the uninformed.
On the other hand in N. America, I would not be very concerned about the list issue. Although your grievance is IFALPA supported there is no legitimate list of any kind and I doubt that there is even an underground list that many US pilots care about or carry.
I hope this sad situation will end before my time comes to make a decision regarding employment with CX. Until then you have my full, dues paying ALPA pilot support.
Middle, I thank you for the cautionary statement. It has a right place on this board, to inform the uninformed.
On the other hand in N. America, I would not be very concerned about the list issue. Although your grievance is IFALPA supported there is no legitimate list of any kind and I doubt that there is even an underground list that many US pilots care about or carry.
I hope this sad situation will end before my time comes to make a decision regarding employment with CX. Until then you have my full, dues paying ALPA pilot support.
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OK Blue Eagle let's see if we can do this without being nuked.
jumpingdoc, there is a list but the rules of this forum prevent me from telling you where it is. Trust me there is a list, on the web and in my flight bag.
jumpingdoc, there is a list but the rules of this forum prevent me from telling you where it is. Trust me there is a list, on the web and in my flight bag.
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It's in my bag and well thumbed.
My buds all carry the reference document. Our friends in the Fragrant Harbor update us on a weekly basis on who our "friends" are. The document is referred to on a daily basis. Best not to ask as refusal often offends
49ers.
Keep the faith. Your friends in DALPA and USALPA are 100% behind you. We'll get you back in the seat real soon.
Why are the Brits so touchy about "lists" . It's a daily fact of life here. Knowing who the pond scum are is mandatory. Sorry if I've offended you Blue Eagle but you guys will have to face up to this before too long.
49ers.
Keep the faith. Your friends in DALPA and USALPA are 100% behind you. We'll get you back in the seat real soon.
Why are the Brits so touchy about "lists" . It's a daily fact of life here. Knowing who the pond scum are is mandatory. Sorry if I've offended you Blue Eagle but you guys will have to face up to this before too long.
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DALPA Dude, what YOU will have to face up to is that, on PPRuNe, a privately owned BB, there is no reference to, links to or details of 'lists' allowed, by the owner of the board, Danny Fyne, as it is he and not you, any of your pals or indeed any other Tom, Dick or Harry who might be called upon to answer a libel hearing in court.
Even if Danny were only required to defend himself the costs alone could cause the board to be closed.
No idea what the libel laws in your part of the world are but in the UK they are very effective and widely used.
Viewing and posting on PPRuNe is entirely voluntary and if you don't like the rules then you are free to go elsewhere.
Due to their industrial situation and their AOA elections later this month feelings are running quite high at CX, some slack has therefore been cut. Please don't push it.
Finally, how come you didn't see the 'sticky' posting at the top of this forum concerning 'lists', I thought it was all explained there
Even if Danny were only required to defend himself the costs alone could cause the board to be closed.
No idea what the libel laws in your part of the world are but in the UK they are very effective and widely used.
Viewing and posting on PPRuNe is entirely voluntary and if you don't like the rules then you are free to go elsewhere.
Due to their industrial situation and their AOA elections later this month feelings are running quite high at CX, some slack has therefore been cut. Please don't push it.
Finally, how come you didn't see the 'sticky' posting at the top of this forum concerning 'lists', I thought it was all explained there
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God I hate those lists, and I for one am pleased to see Blue Eagle to stand firm in this regard. I know of a number of nice guys whose names were wrongly posted on those things to their great pain and suffering. Just remember guys/gals those lists are often very innacurate so be careful.
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Blue, I surely understand your concern. The reference document we all refer to, is in the public domain. I obviously aint gonna post the link here or I'll get busted. If the existence of the document deters someone from taking a position at cathay it's served a purpose. Middle has pointed to the existence of the document so I think we are all happy with the outcome.
Going to stealth on this subject.
Going to stealth on this subject.
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Several years of commuting and offering J/S to commuters I have NEVER seen anyone pulling out a list or looked at any list myself. As a matter of fact the only denial of J/S was by an 83-85 CAL hire to a CALEX pilot who thought ALPA would be better for CAL / CALEX, versus remaining independent.
I know, there are people on both extremes of the Bell Curve. Considering that the legitimacy of HKALPA hiring ban is at least highly questionable (even according to their own members), I am surprised you would even consider carrying an illegitimate list which is not sanctioned, furthermore discouraged by the Union itself.
Interestingly, another DAL pilot (my best friend and advisor in this matter) has a completely different view from yours.
Hopefully the upcoming elections will resolve all these.
Keep in mind in other countries unions have much less power and teeth due to unfriendly labor laws and different morals and values of the work group.
If anyone thinks this hiring ban will get or help to get the 49ers jobs back, in China, may need a drug test.
I know, there are people on both extremes of the Bell Curve. Considering that the legitimacy of HKALPA hiring ban is at least highly questionable (even according to their own members), I am surprised you would even consider carrying an illegitimate list which is not sanctioned, furthermore discouraged by the Union itself.
Interestingly, another DAL pilot (my best friend and advisor in this matter) has a completely different view from yours.
Hopefully the upcoming elections will resolve all these.
Keep in mind in other countries unions have much less power and teeth due to unfriendly labor laws and different morals and values of the work group.
If anyone thinks this hiring ban will get or help to get the 49ers jobs back, in China, may need a drug test.
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Why do you worry about a SCAB list when all you got to do is look at the guy's date of hire?
No ALPA pilot worth his salt would allow a Cathay scab to commute to work on his jumpseat!
You guys are setting yourselves up for years of trouble.
Good luck to all the real Cathay pilots out there, I believe the vast majority of US pilots support your fight 100%.
No ALPA pilot worth his salt would allow a Cathay scab to commute to work on his jumpseat!
You guys are setting yourselves up for years of trouble.
Good luck to all the real Cathay pilots out there, I believe the vast majority of US pilots support your fight 100%.
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Bkany lets wind this crap up even more, what a windbag you must be. The real cathay pilots????? Only those who support this ridiculous ban are real nest pas? The odd times |I've needed a jump seat there hasn't been time to play out this charade, stop being a bully.
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bkany:
thanks for your support, however we have 'replacement workers' they are not considered SCABS by the AOA. (we do have our share of SCABS from Ansett NZ etc but you cannot tar them with the same brush)
once this fiasco is over we will need these, soon to be 200+ replacement workers, to support our union.
your passion/fanaticism is quite frightning.
yukan fucov
thanks for your support, however we have 'replacement workers' they are not considered SCABS by the AOA. (we do have our share of SCABS from Ansett NZ etc but you cannot tar them with the same brush)
once this fiasco is over we will need these, soon to be 200+ replacement workers, to support our union.
your passion/fanaticism is quite frightning.
yukan fucov
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I keep reading how the wonderful pilots in the good old Us of A are totally committed to the ban. Even bkany said the 'majority'. I would like a pint of whatever you are drinking, ALL USA POSITIONS ARE FILLED, EVERY INTERVIEW IN THE STATES IS BUSTING AT THE SEAMS WITH APPLICANTS. These must all be from that minority group. Get real guys, the ban is a farce because it has been well publicised that the jobs of the 49ers were filled from within the AOA rank and file. Reducing the numbers in unions anywhere by non-admittance of those conjectured to be in violation of an, at the least, unreasonable ban is self defeating for unions in the long run. If I was senior CX management I would be treating all the newbies with care and attention, ensuring their happiness at CX - outside the union. These newbies will tell their friends etc, why join a union when the company looks after you so well? Then when the AOA -and other unions, are defunct the real management can come out of the loo and screw all of us to the wall.