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Old 4th Jan 2018, 00:24   #1 (permalink)
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I can not for the life of me understand why those that can have not left the toxic nasty environment that is Cathay Pacific.

I left after 14 years and 2 1/2 years later I could not be happier.

There is life after Cathay and a much better one at that.

Goodbye and Good Luck..
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 00:56   #2 (permalink)
 
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Fear not, that process is well underway. Not a flight without at least one (sometimes 3) members of the crew acknowledge they are making active plans to leave. In fact, many have interviewed in the past 6 months, and are waiting for course dates. The tide has definitely turned.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 03:32   #3 (permalink)
 
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Good on you mate. Cx operates with fear from Fop/training to staff travel, ultimately management.
It is true.Many colleagues have interviewed or are in that process now.
Complete utter stupidity from management
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 03:34   #4 (permalink)
 
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Is the ex-head of Australia's CASA running the operations side now?
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Southwest and American Airlines Announce Employee Bonuses After Tax Reform Passage - Breitbart
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 12:51   #6 (permalink)
 
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Yes, but only paid to their FO's, cabin crew and ground staff. The Captains won't be receiving it.....oh, wait. Wrong airline, sorry.

(remember, it's flu and cold season. Or would you rather go to work 'unfit'?)
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 13:23   #7 (permalink)
 
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Why Exactly

Plans have been made, I won't reach retirement age here and a date has absolutely been set...
I will not be here for the next 13th month "conditional" year end gratuity bull**** that only some get.
Had enough of the mean spirited Swire despots and their sycophant pilot pals.

Life is tooooooo short..

Tic Toc can't wait

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Old 4th Jan 2018, 17:59   #8 (permalink)
 
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Let me get the facts straight, so swire came up with the strategy to get rid of senior ranking pilots and replace them with cheaper FO's and SO's, but there is a training ban so no one is getting command and upgrades, and I speculate there is lack of training captain too? Whilst regional competitors continue to headhunt for CX pilots and other leaving for ME3 through disappointment and rage, so they started hiring DEFO but did anyone mention to management there is currently a global shortage of experienced pilot.

Can you see where I am going with this? CX sounds like the next Ryanair! Many of my colleagues here in Europe see HX as a training school with a free type rating for widebody before ME3, UO is not expanding either. Whilst all this is going on, ZGGG is busy building their 5th runway. Hong Kong is truly going down...

Please correct me if I'm wrong!
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 18:48   #9 (permalink)
 
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Pretty well nailed it. Uncontrollable death dive.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 18:54   #10 (permalink)
 
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I might add, many of the senior pilots have come up with their own way to get rid of the Swire's. Time will tell who has the most successful strategy. The only group that's really being gotten rid of is the middle ranking pilots, the very ones they thought they would build the future of the airline with. Nearly every single one of them is looking for another career choice, as the past few years have shown most of them what a completely untrustworthy, vindictive group they are currently working for (nobody wants to spend their career feeling bullied, intimidated and disrespected). What an amazing management we have. Apparently their strategy to build confidence and make the job attractive is a juvenile attempt at social networking, with great comments such as "We are Cathay Pacific", and "Come on in" (I kid you not...). The twelve year olds will love it.

btw AT, met one of your 'new' DEFO pilots last week. He had just finished his interview with a major EU airline. He said to me, and I quote: "I had no idea how up this airline is, and I can't wait to get home". He also told me that the worst European airlines have a rostering system 10X better than what he has had to endure on his several months on the freighter (an epic disruption that messed up his commute to see his gf, that cost him the loss of a gpb 300 ticket). Also told me that the company 'deceived him' (his words) about the true cost of living in HK, even after he asked some pointed questions at the interview. Additionally he told me that several of the new pilots he knows are planning to leave in the near term as well. So keep up the good work...i'm sure the rest of the worlds airlines appreciate CX squandering their training budget on their behalves. Own goal if there ever was one.

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Old 4th Jan 2018, 18:56   #11 (permalink)
 
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I left CX in 2009 after 4 1/2 years of experiencing CX. I had a great time in Hong Kong, it was a great basing point for travelling the region, and can I now say that I've tried ultra long haul flying on wide bodies. Been there, done that and got the T-shirt. Cathay Pacific Airways as a company was (and it seems it still is!) truly pathetic. The training system was sick and there was just too many sad [email protected] around in all departments. I left the dump and went on to truly greener pastures. I still have old friends with this outfit and I really do feel sorry for them. It's been 9 years to the day tomorrow! Freakin' awesome. Good luck guys.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 19:32   #12 (permalink)
 
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At least you saw the light Klimax. I wish I had left 9 years ago . Regardless, it's my mission in life to at least educate and warn the younger pilots in the industry to not waste their careers here. Best wishes.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 20:10   #13 (permalink)
 
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Yup, you're doing well at that mate, keep going. Then again, I can't blame any young kid for coming to HKG, join CX, sit back for a while, upgrade to JFO and then get the [email protected] out of there.. Leave it all behind after 4 years of fun. NEVER join with a family and NEVER plan on staying for longer than the JFO upgrade and 500 hours. If things work out differently for the individual, there's the choice to stay. Some companies, like CX, does not deserve to be treated any other way than the company choses to treat its staff. I resigned by a sloppy email from a PC at a random Jomo Kenyatta airport lounge in Nairobi, Kenya. Pole sana. ;-) A bunch of clowns is what they are.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 20:37   #14 (permalink)
 
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"a bunch of clowns" Cannot argue with that description.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 20:52   #15 (permalink)
 
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Clowns are at least entertaining and keep a circus running. CX’s “clowns” actually make the airline worse. It would be far preferable if they just did nothing instead of their daily efforts to “help” which is code for rape and pillage the airline.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 21:25   #16 (permalink)
 
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Rape and pillage?, how about 'collapse and destruction'?
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 21:34   #17 (permalink)
 
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As long as their bonuses are intact, what’s the difference? They get the money, and we get to be stakeholders in a failing airline.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 21:59   #18 (permalink)
 
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I resent the term 'shareholder'. Firstly, other than the controlling interest in CX that both the Swires and Air China hold, the 'public' shareholding is small. Secondly, those 'public' shareholders have in general small holdings, and are fickle. We, the employees, dedicate our very careers, and our families futures to this airline. Yet our management seem to value the shareholders over the long term employees who REALLY invest in the airline (the substance of their lives). I am disgusted and appalled by that realisation. Our management should be ashamed. The REAL shareholders are the long term employees, who deserve respect, consideration and reward. To have been treated as we were with the annual bonus only hardened my heart towards our managers, who are not fit for purpose. My life, the dedication and the sacrifices I and my family have made for this company will not be trivialized. To continue to manifest such a thing will not end well. I take that very personally.
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 00:48   #19 (permalink)
 
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Traf, that’s why I used the term “stakeholder” rather than “shareholder”. I would never own CX shares, but my interest and stake in the Company is much greater, at least for now. I have decades invested.
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 10:39   #20 (permalink)
 
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If a casual observer may ask, does CX publish a seniority list at regular intervals that would allow documenting the net size of the pilot group over time ? Much is being said about people leaving so it'd be interesting to see the results.
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