Xmas Sickout?
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'then'. Moving on. Like many here, I am leaving soon, so the effort required is on the back of those who actually seek a career of value and meaning. Funny thing is, even though nothing will benefit me personally, I am still doing my part this season. Mainly because of the personal insult that this management imparted. I don't need a union to tell me to stand up for myself. Shame about the majority on that score however.
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You know what the tragedy of it all is? It's the fact that we've effectively done this to ourselves. Cowardice, self-serving, lazy, naive, feckless. All the things I feel about our management, and only a small bit of analytical thinking leads one to conclude the same traits describe ourselves. The pilots of CX will have the careers they deserve, either way. It is up to us how it turns out, but on current evidence, get used to being treated even worse than you already are.
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Don’t you softies realize that RH, AT, and DP are literally laughing at us behind closed doors? They think we are a bunch of spineless blowhard cowards, and they are right. I’ve never been more embarrassed to be a CX pilot than I am right now. The vast majority of you bring me shame. 
pathetic lot of weaklings. Good thing this isn’t a fighting unit. Our country would be in big trouble.
pathetic lot of weaklings. Good thing this isn’t a fighting unit. Our country would be in big trouble.
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I can't but help agree. The company management threw a deliberate provocation at us to see how we would react (13th month). Predictably (based on 25 yrs of evidence), we collectively lived up to our usual low standards of personal accountability and responsibility. I too feel ashamed. Was in dispatch last week (after seeing the Dr., you know, off 'unfit') and saw all those keen faces diligently checking the paperwork. All the while putting another nail in their own career coffins. And it will prove so as I sit writing this, and tomorrow, and the next day, and....
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I’ll say it before some invertebrate beats me to it... “The FA have less to lose, blah, blah, blah.” Another weak and tired excuse for why spineless CX pilots cannot take action.
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Contract Compliance hasn't worked, nor do I foresee trainers ever resigning, even if they did, the company has options, threats of dismissal, hiring outside trainers, etc. So if you truly believe that an escalation is just a dream, and would never work, you're essentially admitting that there's absolutely no hope, in which case why waste your time with prune. Why even bother with a union for that matter.
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The same reason 90% of the members are part of the union... loss of license insurance. They do nothing for us the little wins is always just wins that the GC personally want.
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As usual a370, you miss the point (and I suspect you have done for most of your life). It's not about the amount of money, it's about the principle of excluding the Captains and what that says about respect and value. That is what needs to be addressed, and can only be done so by each individual pilot. If the pilots of CX don't value themselves and their profession, then they will have the careers they deserve. That is internal to us. As i've said to you before, I don't quite understand why you are concerned about what goes on here at CX (although I do appreciate you were rejected by them earlier in your 'career'). Please keep posting however, as it is always entertaining to witness immaturity and envy first hand.
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There’s normally a valid reason for why someone is a Cat D FO, the idiot on yammer having a conversation with himself is a perfect example.
One flight deck visit from RH and he’s sold that it’s all out of the CEO’s hands. Moron.
And as for the rest of you who can’t fathom taking action without the union holding your hand, ponder this.
What do you think is more risky; the union organising a sick out or strike, or a large number of supposedly intelligent people doing what needs to be done without presenting the company with an easy target?
It really is very simple, they steal your 13th month, you get angry, you’re distracted and you are unfit to fly.
It’s not hard, it doesn’t take a directive from the union, and it’s absolutely the safest course of action, industrially speaking, for the greatest effect.
Stop waiting for someone else to tell you what to do, so you can shunt the responsibility to someone else. FFS.
One flight deck visit from RH and he’s sold that it’s all out of the CEO’s hands. Moron.
And as for the rest of you who can’t fathom taking action without the union holding your hand, ponder this.
What do you think is more risky; the union organising a sick out or strike, or a large number of supposedly intelligent people doing what needs to be done without presenting the company with an easy target?
It really is very simple, they steal your 13th month, you get angry, you’re distracted and you are unfit to fly.
It’s not hard, it doesn’t take a directive from the union, and it’s absolutely the safest course of action, industrially speaking, for the greatest effect.
Stop waiting for someone else to tell you what to do, so you can shunt the responsibility to someone else. FFS.
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Just read the 'Weekly Liar' post. The truth of the matter will determine the fate of all the pilots at this airline as it pertains to the value of a 'career'. I caution every single pilot in this company: your individual actions will determine whether you have a career here worth the name. If you are not taking part in reinforcing your value, then you will be responsible for the collapse of the profession in CX (and your own career). No way around that. Each individual will enjoy the career they deserve.
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Traf , I hate to say it but if the majority are not prepared to do something over the last slap in the face , their career course has already been set and it’s only going to go downhill at an ever accelerating pace
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This naive FO who posted the comments when RH visited the flight deck is obviously and idiot and I am afraid typical of the characters we fly with today. They can divided into several groups.
First we have the SO's. So wet behind the ears in every way. Little or no experience in aviation, jets, life or the real world. Few have ever heard of industrial action and in any case they mostly live with their parents who wouldn't condone such action or they live with their CC girlfriends who tell them what to do and when.
Second we have the FO's who come from countries where they are no longer wanted or needed. Their passports are effectively holding them prisoner and they have to hang out for a permanent HKID card and then apply for an HKG passport before they migrate to Perth. They all reside on South Lantau and would work for free if asked.
Thirdly we have the local senior FO's who are playing the waiting game for all the expat captains to retire or leave. Some jumping to HKA if they can but certainly not interested in rocking the CX boat.
Fourthly the Canadians and Aussies who can't go back because they are too old to get into Air Canada or Qantas and the prospect of GA flying from where most of them came terrifies them.
Fifthly, the golden handcuffed senior captains. Too old to move, too tired to make an effort and too disappointed with the first four categories to give a dam about the airline they built.
First we have the SO's. So wet behind the ears in every way. Little or no experience in aviation, jets, life or the real world. Few have ever heard of industrial action and in any case they mostly live with their parents who wouldn't condone such action or they live with their CC girlfriends who tell them what to do and when.
Second we have the FO's who come from countries where they are no longer wanted or needed. Their passports are effectively holding them prisoner and they have to hang out for a permanent HKID card and then apply for an HKG passport before they migrate to Perth. They all reside on South Lantau and would work for free if asked.
Thirdly we have the local senior FO's who are playing the waiting game for all the expat captains to retire or leave. Some jumping to HKA if they can but certainly not interested in rocking the CX boat.
Fourthly the Canadians and Aussies who can't go back because they are too old to get into Air Canada or Qantas and the prospect of GA flying from where most of them came terrifies them.
Fifthly, the golden handcuffed senior captains. Too old to move, too tired to make an effort and too disappointed with the first four categories to give a dam about the airline they built.
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So, effectively an asian-ified (not a real word I know) career wasteland is all that can be expected. A rather bleak outcome. It will be interesting to hear the moaning and whining over the coming months when the company attacks even more of our pay and benefits. Of course, the moaning and whining will be from exactly the same individuals who couldn't presently lift a finger to help themselves. I have no sympathy if that is what transpires. None whatsoever. Truly a sad group of people that are employed as pilots at CX. Most should be ashamed.
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You are correct in saying that most in your category five no longer give a Friar Tuck about the company BUT, as a group, they are too fed up to feel handcuffed the way they used to.
In the current market there is plenty of contract flying out there with basing opportunities and this will get even the old and the tired on their horses. Expect a swathe of resignations in the first half of 2018 from 10-15 year captains, who are all highly sought after by our friends north of Lowu and south of the Yalu.
Even a three-year contract with one of these carriers provides more security than we currently have and to be frank, their management could not possibly be any worse.
in 2018 RH/AT are going to get mightily sick of saying "Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out".
You are correct in saying that most in your category five no longer give a Friar Tuck about the company BUT, as a group, they are too fed up to feel handcuffed the way they used to.
In the current market there is plenty of contract flying out there with basing opportunities and this will get even the old and the tired on their horses. Expect a swathe of resignations in the first half of 2018 from 10-15 year captains, who are all highly sought after by our friends north of Lowu and south of the Yalu.
Even a three-year contract with one of these carriers provides more security than we currently have and to be frank, their management could not possibly be any worse.
in 2018 RH/AT are going to get mightily sick of saying "Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out".
