Ryanair to recognise Unions
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20 plus years ago, senior management held a series of "commitment days" for pilots. Over a period of weeks EVERY CX pilot in groups of 100 or so ( the airline was much smaller then ) were invited to lunch at the Island Cricket Club and during the lunch we were told by senior management how the airline was to change. It was being re-branded and our commitment to the future was essential. Then a very professional video was shown. Employees from every corner of the company ( with the exception of the pilots ) were seen praising the company, how good an employer it was, blah blah blah. Every third interview had a secretary or check in staff member ask " but why do we pay our pilots so much ?" and "why do they get such huge housing payments ?".
The CEO at the time was Lynas Chung and he attended every lunch and fielded questions afterwards. I was there and I asked "why have you allowed those comments to be in the video ? It paints us pilots as elitist ?" He answered "Oh that was a mistake ". Mistake my arse. It was the start of a deliberate indoctrination to all other CX staff against the pilot body. This was 20 plus years ago and the rot set in from then.
As for Lynas Chung. He was the great local hope for the airline. He conceived the "Commitment Day " programme and within 3 months dumped the airline and left to run what was then Hong Kong Telecom, now PCCW.
Undermining the pilots has been part of the Swire mentality for 25 years. They hate us and persuaded most of the other employees to do the same. The tide turned against the pilots and the "cannot mentality" set in amongst office and ground staff. It continues today and the recent 13th month issue is just one of a long list of actions deliberately done to "get the pilots".
Ryanair management has admitted they had a similar plan. It has back fired on them and will do the same to Swires if we stick together.
The CEO at the time was Lynas Chung and he attended every lunch and fielded questions afterwards. I was there and I asked "why have you allowed those comments to be in the video ? It paints us pilots as elitist ?" He answered "Oh that was a mistake ". Mistake my arse. It was the start of a deliberate indoctrination to all other CX staff against the pilot body. This was 20 plus years ago and the rot set in from then.
As for Lynas Chung. He was the great local hope for the airline. He conceived the "Commitment Day " programme and within 3 months dumped the airline and left to run what was then Hong Kong Telecom, now PCCW.
Undermining the pilots has been part of the Swire mentality for 25 years. They hate us and persuaded most of the other employees to do the same. The tide turned against the pilots and the "cannot mentality" set in amongst office and ground staff. It continues today and the recent 13th month issue is just one of a long list of actions deliberately done to "get the pilots".
Ryanair management has admitted they had a similar plan. It has back fired on them and will do the same to Swires if we stick together.
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checklist is correct (other than the LC designation). The company management have an institutional envy and dislike towards the pilots. For almost 25 yrs they have been set against us, and have degraded this profession in HK to that of a 'pig with lipstick' airline, barely above LCC status. If any of you think that soothing words from RH or AT are going to make a blind bit of difference to their attack on us, then please, light up another one and draw deep. The only thing standing between them and ultimate career oblivion is you, and only you as individuals finding your character, courage and spine to stand up to them, now. It will be too late tomorrow. If they don't hurt, and hurt badly over this coming holiday season, then the game is over. Everyone might as well make solid plans to find a new employer, because this job will not be worth keeping. You will waste the years of your career being frustrated, angry, fearful and hopeless. Don't let that happen. Stand up NOW for your career and your right to proper pay and conditions. This is HK for pete's sake, the most expensive city in the world and our management think we shouldn't have the means to live properly in it. Ridiculous (and worth pointing out that they don't expect the same sacrifices of themselves. Hypocrites). It's flu season. Enough said. 
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Curtain rod , you are correct with a lot of what you say , however this airline has never had a cohesive pilot body and that’s what the management has been playing on for years . When you get thumped by the schoolyard bully every time you cross the playing field you have 3 choices. Change schools , accept the bruises and humiliation , or take action yourself and fight back .
So I have to commend Ryanair pilots for their stance , it took guts and their management blinked, yet our lot won’t even take a position and fight back aside from a few noteworthy individuals what hope is there ?
So I have to commend Ryanair pilots for their stance , it took guts and their management blinked, yet our lot won’t even take a position and fight back aside from a few noteworthy individuals what hope is there ?
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His answer: "Absolutely".
But I'll ask him again in a few months if things don't work out as planned.
The worst you can do to him is let his efforts be in vain, so please don't be defeatist and step it up.
I've always said that people paying for their typerating got us into this mess.
Turns out that those same people might (start to) get us out of it too.
Well done to the Ryanair pilots!
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https://www.google.ca/amp/www.dailym...ot-revolt.html
This headline could be re-written as "How an arrogant, hired in consultant sparked a revolution at Cathay Pacific"
This headline could be re-written as "How an arrogant, hired in consultant sparked a revolution at Cathay Pacific"
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Take a look at Linus' bio on Wiki. If ever anyone had written their own, self-aggrandizing bio, it's that one. It reads like "Mein Kampf" with references to his "arduous" struggle and living on sub standard wages and his self-taught ability to speak fluent Putonghua "for three hours".
It reads like a padded CV...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Cheung
It reads like a padded CV...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Cheung
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And this is the standard of individual that rises to the 'leadership' role in this airline (and note, none of todays 'leaders' are any better). And any of you doubt the final doomed outcome of CX?
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I'm really pleased that the Ryanair pilots have had a win in that management have agreed to talk to their unions. But let's not get too excited and make it seem something it's not. CX has been talking to the AOA for years so Ryanair pilots have only just got something CX pilots have had for a very long time.
CR's assessment of the different situation of the two pilots groups is very accurate. Wishing away the difficulties does not change reality. CX pilots have to be totally realistic about whet leverage exists and what does not. Relying on leverage that doesn't exist and more importantly management knows does not exist will only result in disappointment and bitterness, not an improvement in conditions.
CR's assessment of the different situation of the two pilots groups is very accurate. Wishing away the difficulties does not change reality. CX pilots have to be totally realistic about whet leverage exists and what does not. Relying on leverage that doesn't exist and more importantly management knows does not exist will only result in disappointment and bitterness, not an improvement in conditions.
