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Old 6th Dec 2017, 17:48   #1 (permalink)
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Wednesday Liar 6/12/17

Dear AT. I see you are due to announce both details on ARAPA, and the year end 13th month. A polite suggestion: if it is anything less than a full 13th month, you can expect a sudden and dramatic drop in availability of your pilots for the foreseeable future. As far as ARAPA goes, you can be sure that anything less than full coverage of our mortgages that we took out in good faith based on a career promised housing allowance (and in my case, over 9 year left of my 15, which should be 25), then not only will you find me unavailable over the holidays (Christmas and CNY), but you will also find many C and T pilots not engaged in training anymore.

I can also assure you that most of the pilots in this airline are actively pursuing other employers, and such a move will certainly be the final push needed to help many of us make the decision to leave. In case you haven’t yet noticed, resignations are beginning to effect the schedule (or, as an example, are 80 cancelled sectors in a month on LA alone just coincidence?). Just a reminder: CX has cheated most of us out of fair pay rises, profit sharing, 13th month, medical and now housing. Who on earth would continue to persevere with seeing eventually the food on their table stolen?

I also had a chuckle at your “New Joiner Drinks” comments. Particularly about your insistence on their ‘fresh enthusiasm’. Well, if there is one thing you and your management are adept at doing, it’s killing off ANY form of enthusiasm. They will be just as jaded as the rest of us within weeks, and no doubt the DEFO’s will be desperately seeking new jobs back home when they realize they have been duped into living in the worlds most expensive place on one of the worlds cheapest contracts. Keep pretending you are in control. Your legacy will be one of abject failure. You have a NICE week.

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Old 6th Dec 2017, 23:12   #2 (permalink)
 
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MM, great post. Just a reminder to all and sundry that, regarding the 13th month, if they 'pretend to pay you', you can 'pretend to work'. If you all know what I mean.
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 23:14   #3 (permalink)
 
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It's particularly good for morale to know that our DragonAir colleagues are getting their full 13th month (don't misconstrue my comment, they deserve it, as do WE). Apparently we are worth less. It's always fun taking money out of your meager savings to pay the HK tax bill (you or your family don't need that money). Especially this year, when you know that it is entirely due to management f*ck ups with fuel etc. But don't worry, management will get their increased bonuses. That is ALL that matters. Happy Holidays. (is that a sniffle coming on....?).
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 23:23   #4 (permalink)
 
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Love how 13th month is now called 'Year end Arrangements'. WTF.?
If it wasn't so serious it would be hilarious.
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 23:31   #5 (permalink)
 
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I suggest no one pay their HK tax. The government then goes after CX for it. Poetic justice.
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If all the trainers quit tomorrow, the airline would stop running. Just sayin...
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 00:25   #7 (permalink)
 
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Yep, with great privilege comes great responsibility. How about the C&Ters not just uphold flight standards, but also contract integrity? They have the power. Use it properly!
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 00:52   #8 (permalink)
 
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Great post! Once again, I am just a PPL and as far as CX/KA is concerned, a very frequent Diamond traveler. Whereas any further delays (to the already unacceptable delays that I experience on the sectors I fly with you) wold be a real pain, I fully support the pilots cause! It is shamefully embarrassing that the Management of your company, through their own making, has created such dramatic financial situation (the fuel hedging losses) and takes this out on its staff (not only cockpit of course). However, this bunch of Swire inbreds are not even remotely embarrassed about this. They claim you are very well paid; if that is the case, then I can say well deserved and nothing else than a contract they have signed with you. Any unilateral change of your pay package is unacceptable as such, and even more so when the reason for this is self inflicted by Management. If you are all suddenly mentally affected by this and are unfit to fly (although a pain for thousands of pax like me), I understand and fully support you! Don't give in! Don't give up. C and T pilots must be affected too; hope so at least!
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If all the trainers quit tomorrow, the airline would stop running. Just sayin...
If all the pilots quit/ struck tomorrow, likewise. Don't expect others to do your fighting for you
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 01:38   #10 (permalink)
 
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All the pilots didn't volunteer for training though. We are just asking that they un-volunteer for awhile.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 06:05   #11 (permalink)
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Game changer. I hope all of you have made your plans. I have. The money represents one months work. Just saying.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 06:51   #12 (permalink)
 
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Can the AOA please hold a motion for a strike. It is loooooonnnngggg past time.
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If all the pilots quit/ struck tomorrow, likewise. Don't expect others to do your fighting for you
If a trainer resigns, he still has income coming in, if a line pilot resigns he has no income coming in.. You spot the difference.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 06:55   #14 (permalink)
 
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Dragon. Many trainers were waiting to see what the final proposal was regarding 13th month and housing. Two of my colleagues told me a short while ago that this is a step too far. Trust me, the training department is about to implode. Even they can't allow themselves to be treated with contempt like this.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 06:59   #15 (permalink)
 
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I hope you're right !
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 07:13   #16 (permalink)
 
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We will soon see. Certainly things cannot continue like this. Our management are a disgrace, and they now heap on top of incompetence abject contempt. I will be leveling the score soon enough. What about the rest of you? Can't wait to be done with this airline, and I envy those that are already comfortably settled in their new jobs. To the traveling public: be careful who you plan on flying with over the Christmas and CNY periods.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 07:25   #17 (permalink)
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If all the trainers quit tomorrow, the airline would stop running. Just sayin...
words on the grapevine apparently cx doesn't even need ALL trainers to quit tmr, only about a hand full of STCs say byebye is enough to turn this circus into another express fiasco few months ago
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 08:29   #18 (permalink)
 
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HYG. Please don't be dissembling. It is not just up to the STC's, but all levels of training. We must all finally say enough is enough. I resigned after the fiasco of the letters to Anna. Now, with the complete contempt shown, why would ANY of my former C and T colleagues continue to contribute to an organization that is hell bent on destroying you and your families lifestyle and financial security? Who, and why?
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 08:35   #19 (permalink)
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Correct.
So the company is not paying 13th month to captains. Let's see how many C&T actually WILL resign from that position in the next few days - I bet not many if any.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 08:49   #20 (permalink)
 
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Not one C&T Captain will resign from Training. The other Jellyfish in the sea.
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