Well that was a big waste of time
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Well that was a big waste of time
Negotiations over company wont reward us at a later date if we give concessions now.....i.e. we werent doing 1999/2000 again when we gave and the company made record profits which we saw none of.
Pack those bags guy this show is ******* over
Pack those bags guy this show is ******* over
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Where was the mandate from membership to seek concessions I must of missed that survey.
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So
It could be a very interesting xmas
Good luck punters traveling CX.
A company completely unwilling to give any concessions what so ever in the return to profits AND unwilling to provide any evidence to as to wtf the plan is to improve yield .
Mmmm , hillarious . Full Mexican stand off in progress.
It could be a very interesting xmas
Good luck punters traveling CX.
A company completely unwilling to give any concessions what so ever in the return to profits AND unwilling to provide any evidence to as to wtf the plan is to improve yield .
Mmmm , hillarious . Full Mexican stand off in progress.
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as I've said before, this is reminding me more and more of the days when MG was president. An AOA completely working for the benefit of the company, not the members.
I mean really, WTF? Where have you been the past two decades Daryl?
Nevertheless, as a responsible employee group, we are prepared to provide immediate financial assistance to Cathay Pacific to assist our management in navigating the current situation
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The irony in all of this is that the “sign or be fired” contract will very likely blow up in CX’s face. HKAOA’s CC and TB will continue. Attrition of trainers and other experienced pilots will accelerate and growth plans will be stymied. All that will be left are already cheap C scalers with low or no experience and other losers who can’t find work elsewhere. CX will be on the fast track to a hull loss and the only way to retain (or obtain) experience will be through bases or expensive DEC contracts. Another own goal from CX directors. Well played Swires!
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no wasnt surprised but had a sliver of hope that maybe they would negotiate in some sort of faith considering the doom they seemed to selling. Doom is still on the books due their mismanagement.....
But naw cant make a tiger changes it stripes.....as for the package atm we aint far off to the baseline of saying "why stay here?".....they want us gone and get the stupid 300 hour club their commands because they would fly for free to fly a big shiny jet. You run into them all the time and how they actually take it that they arent worth more.
But naw cant make a tiger changes it stripes.....as for the package atm we aint far off to the baseline of saying "why stay here?".....they want us gone and get the stupid 300 hour club their commands because they would fly for free to fly a big shiny jet. You run into them all the time and how they actually take it that they arent worth more.
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The Association should take immediate steps to ensure that the current (company induced) situation is made very public and very clearly both internally and externally, before the management Pravda gets in first with their pet local newspapers and IntraCX etc.
(Company PR machine is always well ahead of the employees' )
(Company PR machine is always well ahead of the employees' )
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What's even more Sad is they want, for financial reasons (i.e. their profit), the demise of what, at one time, was a honoured and highly respected "Profession" and "they" with the knowing assistance of some of our finest 3rd floor " Leadership" over the past 25 years have more or less succeeded..
They see you/us as nothing more than overpaid whining Uber drivers.
Soon, when you get to your destination, the "app" that you use for that trip will make a deposit in your bank account. No Tip, no pension, no housing and "State" proffered health care only...
That my colleagues, is EXACTLY what they want and have been pushing for.
Bugle player - please play Taps..
They see you/us as nothing more than overpaid whining Uber drivers.
Soon, when you get to your destination, the "app" that you use for that trip will make a deposit in your bank account. No Tip, no pension, no housing and "State" proffered health care only...
That my colleagues, is EXACTLY what they want and have been pushing for.
Bugle player - please play Taps..
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The first rule of talking a crazy man off the ledge is don't let him take you with him.
Guess you could say the same for a miscreant.
Have a look around. Pilot shortage (real--maybe for the first time in a career), booming industry.
Anyone who would be even contemplating the C word or tossing it around is de-facto nuts.
When one is told things that are true and not so true from time to time, one cannot rely on the credibility of the source. Some folks are masters at blurring the distinction between wholly true and not so true. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and so forth.
Bottom line here is no one should be giving an inch and IMHO those advocating giving yards away are likely those dwelling in not so true land and in not looking out for ya land. I'd be really careful buying into ANY of this. Given the experience level of most people here, OTHER airlines have no problems running their operation profitably with better pay and conditions for their pilots. So if WE have problems doing the same it's either a false premise to begin with or mismanagement of assets.
Neither of which we are responsible for and neither of which we can fix.
And neither of which do we 'own' at this point. So our part in the equation is still the same--be paid at a level commensurate with what we are doing and have decent working conditions.
And most majors pay better. With REAL work rules. That can't be changed on a whim.
Look in the mirror and ask yourself the question if it's right to fritter away what you still have left toward an entity that's just going to ask for more and more, while continuing to behave as it has unabated. Toward which you can have no influence whatsoever in driving decisions of huge magnitude. And who may not be telling you the truth. How will you look at yourself in 10 years if you roll over and buy into this nonsense ?
CX bases in some of the most expensive cities in the world. There is a HUGE difference in the cost of living in HKG compared to that of Des Moines. Or even in the cost of living between San Francisco and Columbus, Ohio. IF it wants to base pilots in expensive places it needs to pay at a rate commensurate with where it is--same as if you'd buy a house there. How many realtors sell houses at a huge loss in San Francisco simply because their prospective buyers whine that houses are really expensive there ? If you can't pay the market price for where you want to be, it's likely that the helpful realtors will suggest you live somewhere else that is more within your price range. Pilots MAY be able to do the airline a favor by commuting, but this still has cost and scheduling constraints associated with it. Basing options to reduce costs have been on the table for years and years; largely shunned and used simply for a fleeting carrot and to keep a presence in a country.
So the solutions have been well presented and ignored. It is not the role of a pilot body to attempt to make up for this shortfall if it indeed really exists.
And one can be an enabler of bad behavior if one always gives his brother in law a 'loan' and makes up his shortfalls. It shouldn't surprise him that his BIL has been unemployed for 10 years and isn't looking real hard--and continues to lose at the track.
Guess you could say the same for a miscreant.
Have a look around. Pilot shortage (real--maybe for the first time in a career), booming industry.
Anyone who would be even contemplating the C word or tossing it around is de-facto nuts.
When one is told things that are true and not so true from time to time, one cannot rely on the credibility of the source. Some folks are masters at blurring the distinction between wholly true and not so true. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and so forth.
Bottom line here is no one should be giving an inch and IMHO those advocating giving yards away are likely those dwelling in not so true land and in not looking out for ya land. I'd be really careful buying into ANY of this. Given the experience level of most people here, OTHER airlines have no problems running their operation profitably with better pay and conditions for their pilots. So if WE have problems doing the same it's either a false premise to begin with or mismanagement of assets.
Neither of which we are responsible for and neither of which we can fix.
And neither of which do we 'own' at this point. So our part in the equation is still the same--be paid at a level commensurate with what we are doing and have decent working conditions.
And most majors pay better. With REAL work rules. That can't be changed on a whim.
Look in the mirror and ask yourself the question if it's right to fritter away what you still have left toward an entity that's just going to ask for more and more, while continuing to behave as it has unabated. Toward which you can have no influence whatsoever in driving decisions of huge magnitude. And who may not be telling you the truth. How will you look at yourself in 10 years if you roll over and buy into this nonsense ?
CX bases in some of the most expensive cities in the world. There is a HUGE difference in the cost of living in HKG compared to that of Des Moines. Or even in the cost of living between San Francisco and Columbus, Ohio. IF it wants to base pilots in expensive places it needs to pay at a rate commensurate with where it is--same as if you'd buy a house there. How many realtors sell houses at a huge loss in San Francisco simply because their prospective buyers whine that houses are really expensive there ? If you can't pay the market price for where you want to be, it's likely that the helpful realtors will suggest you live somewhere else that is more within your price range. Pilots MAY be able to do the airline a favor by commuting, but this still has cost and scheduling constraints associated with it. Basing options to reduce costs have been on the table for years and years; largely shunned and used simply for a fleeting carrot and to keep a presence in a country.
So the solutions have been well presented and ignored. It is not the role of a pilot body to attempt to make up for this shortfall if it indeed really exists.
And one can be an enabler of bad behavior if one always gives his brother in law a 'loan' and makes up his shortfalls. It shouldn't surprise him that his BIL has been unemployed for 10 years and isn't looking real hard--and continues to lose at the track.
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What's comical is how the chairman in one update states that no airline has cost cut themselves into profitability, and then in the very next update offers concessions. What am I missing?
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