Typhoon Pakhar
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Never more than two when the go-around decision was windshear. And only return for a second approach if there is an improvement. Pretty sure Part A has restrictions on attempting even one approach into known severe windshear.
And a gas-and-go diversion should never be an option when the weather that caused the goaround is still in force. At the very least there should be a trend of improvement. This sort of risk taking is indicative of having profit oriented people in operational decision making roles. Their judgement is impaired and must be questioned. There should be a firewall between management and operational decisions. Most regulatory authorities would be pretty strict against this common practice at CPA.
But you are right into second guessing the crew. We weren't there. We can only guess as to what information was being passed on to the crew by the heros up in IOC. They've already demonstrated that they are happy to put commercial in front of safety, multiple times. So I guess everyone should really question their advise during operational decisions.
Maybe it's better to keep the advise restricted to the operating crew; so the Captain and FO can always turn around and ask the two SOs sitting behind them what they think. After all this is the crew complement chosen by the people giving advise during a typhoon.
And a gas-and-go diversion should never be an option when the weather that caused the goaround is still in force. At the very least there should be a trend of improvement. This sort of risk taking is indicative of having profit oriented people in operational decision making roles. Their judgement is impaired and must be questioned. There should be a firewall between management and operational decisions. Most regulatory authorities would be pretty strict against this common practice at CPA.
But you are right into second guessing the crew. We weren't there. We can only guess as to what information was being passed on to the crew by the heros up in IOC. They've already demonstrated that they are happy to put commercial in front of safety, multiple times. So I guess everyone should really question their advise during operational decisions.
Maybe it's better to keep the advise restricted to the operating crew; so the Captain and FO can always turn around and ask the two SOs sitting behind them what they think. After all this is the crew complement chosen by the people giving advise during a typhoon.
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I advice you to see the forest for the trees. You recognize management read these forums. Which post do you think impacts them more? One outlining the truth or a spelling lesson? You've obviously haven't seen the profoundly impressive pieces of poetry delivered by our management. I think you might be giving them a bit too much credit.
In the age of autocorrect, the best advice (you like that) I can give you is to pull the stick out just a bit so as to not impair your vision and loose (sorry, couldn't help myself) sight of the big picture.
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You thin skinned people that don't take the (mostly) well intentioned advice when it's offered in regard to spelling and grammatical corrections are the ones that aren't seeing the forest for the trees. If you either aren't capable of or interested enough to get those details correct you're delusional about anybody considering the cerebral intent of your posts in the manner it might deserve. These mistakes simply dilute the credibility of your posts and then your objection at being called out about it belittles us as a profession.
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Not trying to score points. And as I said, I hold myself to the same standard (my spelling and grammar leave something to be desired once in a while!). Just pointing out that it doesn't look good when we come across as ill-educated or illiterate (and I'm not suggesting you are either Sqwak). Sorry if that offends. The point is still valid however.
(...I would also acknowledge that a PM would have probably been better than a public comment. I just feel it's important for all of us to take care in the basics. Again, even my own comments leave something to be desired at times. )
(...I would also acknowledge that a PM would have probably been better than a public comment. I just feel it's important for all of us to take care in the basics. Again, even my own comments leave something to be desired at times. )
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[QUOTE=Trafalgar;9877175]Not trying to score points. And as I said, I hold myself to the same standard (my spelling and grammar leave something to be desired once in a while!). Just pointing out that it doesn't look good when we come across as ill-educated or illiterate (and I'm not suggesting you are either Sqwak). Sorry if that offends. The point is still valid however.
Nothing wrong with a zoology degree. Learned how to handle the animal employees. Is he gone now?
Nothing wrong with a zoology degree. Learned how to handle the animal employees. Is he gone now?
