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"Senior" Simulator Instructors ?

Old 11th Aug 2016, 16:14
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"Senior" Simulator Instructors ?

It will be very very interesting to see just how many of these, mostly fully retired STC's, or those that are returning (J Mxx) etc. will be only too happy to insert themselves back into a position that will take away higher paying positions from those who are still in active flying positions.
You will very clearly get a picture of those who have any integrity at all toward those still actively involved in trying to better themselves and or their career paths.

The narcissists will float to the top and show themselves immediately
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 16:26
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Give it a rest. CX needs simulator instructors, and they are the most qualified. Many of them are pretty good guys (JMac one of them) and I am glad to see them back.
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 16:34
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Are you suggesting someone like RM isn't deserving of the job, or welcome to be one of our instructors? One of the best people i've ever known, and I'm glad he's staying on. Hopefully they can help wind in the necks of people like yourself.
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 16:38
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Give it a Rest

So, let me get this straight. You're totally happy for "ex" STC's (i.e. retired) to come back and take away STC (i.e. checking) positions from those who are still actively flying (i.e. still on the Fxxxxxx seniority list).
This a direct result of the shortage caused by CC & TB.

Real nice, how magnanimous of you !!!
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 17:08
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There is already TOO much training workload as it is...we need the new instructors. I will be happy to see a reduction in workload. So YES, i'm happy. I really don't care if you aren't.
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 17:30
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Just WOW! Ask guys on bases not represented by the HKAOA to avoid training in support of the ban while simultaneously welcoming back retired trainers as senior sim instructors qualified to do PCs. Hypocrisy in the extreme! I'm surprised that AAOA and AOAE don't dump HKAOA just like AOAC and USAOA have. Tick tock... CX pilots never cease to amaze.
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 17:40
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Checking vs Training

"I" am totally NOT averse to return STC's returning for training....

Checking (IR/528/PC's/Comand Lofts etc) is not training and they would be directly usurping the position of an active "still on the seniority list" flight crew member.

This is a CX back door move just as they have always done and always, surprise surprise, to the detriment of line flight crew.

I'm real glad to see your are all for this
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 22:12
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Please tell me it's not the Screaming Skull, needing beer money, coming back to shriek at people in a CX lurching box. I thought that he was off to tell the world how to run civil aviation?

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Old 11th Aug 2016, 22:45
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Sorry Trafalgar but you must seriously be sniffing something if you think this is a reasonable course of action.

These retired 'millionaires', who have had the best of CX, are now invited back through the back door, in a blatant attempt to bust the training ban and you are OK with it? Perhaps they should just get a life and stop being a bunch of selfish pr***s. I'm sure to a man, they were never members of the AoA and are completely disinterested in our cause to keep the conditions we signed up for.

It's unbelievable to think that anyone of 65+ years, has nothing better to do with their life, than watch their remaining years vanish, doing 3AM Sims.

Rather than applaude the action, I think it's more appropriate to feel sorry for these very sad gits.

I'm all for less Sims but to be happy that they have come back to reduce our workload, is utter bo****ks.
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 00:10
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Vote for Rod!
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 01:05
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Bullies are back

Trafalgar , many of these guys were the Bullies of the airline and now they are back too Bully people again. There is no place for them here...Simple as that. If they really wanted to give something back to the industry why don't they go and do some work at their local Aero club .Where young airman of the future would listen to every word that comes out of there mouth. This is called giving something back to the industry !!!!! GIVING, something that this bunch have never done. Take,take,take.

I agree RM is perfect to Check in the Sim , but he's now 65, he's had his turn and now is time for others to get the opportunity that RM has had for the last 20 plus years. 20 plus years on a STC salary. Give me a break.
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 01:16
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Another nail in the coffin of the training ban.
Yes and No

All they are doing is kicking the can down the road.

These guys are not immortal. Although I am starting to have my doubts with some of them!

So is the Skull definitely coming back? If so, I hope he understands no one apart from the eunuch's in company are going to take any of his crap!
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 02:14
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar View Post
Give it a rest. CX needs simulator instructors, and they are the most qualified. Many of them are pretty good guys (JMac one of them) and I am glad to see them back.
You are the epitome of why I hate most CX pilots, that just happen to be from a certain nationality! Completely wishy-washy with absolutely no back bone.

So you think a member of the Star Chamber that terminated 52 of your colleagues is a "pretty good guy".
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 03:01
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Trafalgar just wants to be up there himself , thats all
Just give him a break . He loves ERAS reporting remember , it doesnt take him that long to do.
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 03:07
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You hypocrite Trafalgar!!
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 03:15
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oohhhhh, 'hate'...yep, that's measured and balanced (and oh, btw, what's my nationality?). Little known fact: JMac actually saved several people from the likes of 'Madaxe' and 'Turnover' and a few other immoral creatures. Like many things about this airline, why ruin a good story with the facts? Is the man perfect?....no, most of us aren't. He has a conscience and i've seen that first hand. You, you've never met me, but you feel it appropriate to 'hate' me. Well, peace and love to you brother . ps. I enjoy the name calling, so keep the cards and letters coming.
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 04:55
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Agree with Cxorcist!!!! Thanks Rod!! So much for all of our pressure, you just cost us a bunch of crew and slowed career progression!!
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 05:05
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fair enough. just get a bit tired of the 'senior' bashing, but I concur with your point Curtain. Many are good guys but i see the point in it undermining the ban. I'll send myself to the sinbin on this one. (however, Samsonite, what on earth was the AOA to do?...let's see this through....rome wasn't built in a day)
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 06:19
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Traf, see it through and watch Air Hong Kong and KA grow by us giving them A/C? Good for them bad for us!!
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 06:30
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For goodness sake give these retirees the cold shoulder when you see them. They are not "good blokes" (JM is a nasty piece of work) and they are undermining the AOA for extremely selfish reasons. Sim instructors after a full and well paid Cathay career to 65??
How bloody sad! Piss off - the lot of you.
Trafalger - you should hang your head in shame defending that lot.
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