May 31st
Joined: Jun 2006
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From: Hong Kong
Yes, but as soon as anyone here mentions the word "strike", most of you outspoken, chest thumping, fist banging pprune heros are the first to regurgitate the same excuses I've heard for the past 20+ years, no labor laws, not enough unity, blah blah blah.. Posting here taking on a self righteous attitude without having the balls to park airplane makes you an even more pathetic ****.
Joined: Apr 2009
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From: HKG
CR is right.
The only other thing that seems to achieve more than Good Faith Bargaining is court cases. The Flight attendant union seems to get their wins thru court action. Maybe a string of multiple cases like RP/ Housing/ Statutory Holiday Pay/ By Pass Pay/ Lack of response to ASRF's/ Duty of Care to provide transport/Accommodation in home base after WOCL trips that not only see you at the limit of fatigue for aviation but also poses a known risk to you and others on the road for the drive home.
Just some ideas on where to go next???
The only other thing that seems to achieve more than Good Faith Bargaining is court cases. The Flight attendant union seems to get their wins thru court action. Maybe a string of multiple cases like RP/ Housing/ Statutory Holiday Pay/ By Pass Pay/ Lack of response to ASRF's/ Duty of Care to provide transport/Accommodation in home base after WOCL trips that not only see you at the limit of fatigue for aviation but also poses a known risk to you and others on the road for the drive home.
Just some ideas on where to go next???
Joined: Nov 2012
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From: Home
I have to mention it since Ive been hearing a bit of it and we're bouncing off the topic occasionally. Because of the changes to the employment package over the years there are some at the company making ends meet, some doing ok and some doing very very well. How long you've been in the company has some bearing on this, some, not all but some.
You my fly with someone who tells you to harden up, that we should force the company to park planes etc etc. You may think wow, this guy's willing to risk plenty so I should too.
Actually no, they're risking nothing, they've made enough through dumb luck and a volatile property market that they don't have to work anymore so they're actually risking nothing. Unlike you.
Thought for the day.
You my fly with someone who tells you to harden up, that we should force the company to park planes etc etc. You may think wow, this guy's willing to risk plenty so I should too.
Actually no, they're risking nothing, they've made enough through dumb luck and a volatile property market that they don't have to work anymore so they're actually risking nothing. Unlike you.
Thought for the day.
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: crewbag
Yes, but as soon as anyone here mentions the word "strike", most of you outspoken, chest thumping, fist banging pprune heros are the first to regurgitate the same excuses I've heard for the past 20+ years, no labor laws, not enough unity, blah blah blah.. Posting here taking on a self righteous attitude without having the balls to park airplane makes you an even more pathetic ****.
Crew number two. Fired.
Crew number three. Fired,
I'm suspecting you can conclude the rest.
Tell me we have enough solidarity to keep the list going. And tell me we have enough solidarity not to settle until those members are reinstated.
Tell me that based on our history.
Joined: Oct 2007
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From: Hong Kong
Quadspeed.
Not so. In 99, the sickout began, on day one, with about 10 guys sitting around the breakfast table at the Excelsior Hotel....word quickly spread and the numbers rapidly increased to around 400 pilots within 24 hours.
Not so. In 99, the sickout began, on day one, with about 10 guys sitting around the breakfast table at the Excelsior Hotel....word quickly spread and the numbers rapidly increased to around 400 pilots within 24 hours.
Joined: Jun 2008
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From: The sky
To the above, unions are a brotherhood and a support group. The aoa i feel does a horriable job at beinging us together, communicating, and making us feel like we are apart of something.
Side note, being in a union is not about "number 1" ... I sure hope you are not apart of it.
Again i can see why our pilots act like they do but some union support or notice for our dues will be of use.
Side note, being in a union is not about "number 1" ... I sure hope you are not apart of it.
Again i can see why our pilots act like they do but some union support or notice for our dues will be of use.
Joined: Jan 2016
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From: Honkers
They are not SO's but are in fact CX graduate engineers involved with the A350 project. Get your facts right before slamming the locals.
Joined: Mar 2000
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From: the land of chocolate
Sometimes the guy/gal in the back corner is the only one with the correct answer.
Keep an open mind, please, for the safety of your crew and passengers.
Joined: Dec 1998
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They may have the 'right answer" (very good with the books 
), but when it comes to handling the aircraft in turbulence, navigating weather and generally knowing all about airmanships 'big picture', they are marginal at best. Not their fault, but slowly but surely the overall experience level, competence and safety of the airline as a whole is being degraded. The experience levels factually show that. Eventually the inevitable will occur. For those responsible, they will be long gone, enjoying their obscenely unwarranted retirements in comfort and ignorance. 
), but when it comes to handling the aircraft in turbulence, navigating weather and generally knowing all about airmanships 'big picture', they are marginal at best. Not their fault, but slowly but surely the overall experience level, competence and safety of the airline as a whole is being degraded. The experience levels factually show that. Eventually the inevitable will occur. For those responsible, they will be long gone, enjoying their obscenely unwarranted retirements in comfort and ignorance.
Joined: Jul 2013
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From: U/S
Hey Cadets, don't take it personally. It wasn't too long ago the "RJ guys" and "North Americans" were the brunt of the ridicule.
No doubt from those who were envious or threatened because all they know is the dysfunctional "Cathay way"
No doubt from those who were envious or threatened because all they know is the dysfunctional "Cathay way"