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Old 2nd May 2016, 17:14
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Have you seen anything of a technical nature in his arguments ?
Are you supposed professionals really so gullible?
He isn't a pilot.
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Old 2nd May 2016, 19:02
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Don't worry about X-Wind. With a handle like that he is still trying to figure out how to do one when it is over 5 kts across. XWind your typical excuses for incompetence is a big part of the problem. Man up and try and make the standard instead of making excuses.
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Old 3rd May 2016, 00:33
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HKPA

Which members will vote on the HKPA? Presumably an agreement on the HKPA will be in play soon, before RP are negotiated. With the vote to accept, or not, include all members of the AOA or restricted to that half of the membership who are directly affected?
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Old 3rd May 2016, 01:04
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Originally Posted by Pain
Which members will vote on the HKPA? Presumably an agreement on the HKPA will be in play soon, before RP are negotiated. With the vote to accept, or not, include all members of the AOA or restricted to that half of the membership who are directly affected?
This question has been asked a couple of times, and I believe the answer is all members..
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Old 3rd May 2016, 04:06
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Ask yourself this.

Who do you think the company would like to be voting on the HKPA offer?

How about we don't do that.
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Old 21st May 2016, 02:16
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its getting close to May 31st. Anyone know what the "big changes" will be?? has anyone heard anything?
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Old 21st May 2016, 07:11
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No I have not. Nor have most people.
And, like many others, neither do I care!

We all know it's their train set.
Luckily for us however, it is actually up to us if we choose to play with it, after they decided whether to change the layout. If it's a significant change, a lot of crew will just go "meh....too hard!"

If it's only minor problems, then we do what we do best, we solve them.
Come on guys, every day at work, you get fast balls, curved balls outside the box problems to sort out, it's what we do, and, luckily for the company at the moment, we do it well. Whatever is presented after 31 May is really no different. Collectively, or as individuals we'll solve it one way or another.

Like much of the other bull**** that trickles down from the top, the art is learning not to step in it, and like so many other things that have the potential to tick you off, you only have to remember, there is no point getting bent out of shape regarding an issue over which you have no control.

I don't worry about this or their other shenanigans , I sleep soundly at night, the sun will still come up, and I still have cold beer in the fridge.

If I don't like what they do with their train set, I like many others may just go and play elsewhere. Life is too short to put up with big egos, stupid people and bad red wine.
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Old 21st May 2016, 08:20
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Can we all agree to stop saying "It's their trainset", it's a very tiring metaphor.
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Old 21st May 2016, 11:36
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Yeah ok,

Well after all it is their sandbox, we can only take a sh!t in it
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Old 22nd May 2016, 04:51
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Can we all agree to stop saying "It's their trainset", it's a very tiring metaphor.
Noted with Thanks
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Old 22nd May 2016, 16:17
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... never had a problem communicating in Korean airspace, even when I was a FNG.
Yeah... Korea. World-reknown for their nimble touch on the stick and stellar communication skills. That's your argument to slam our guys trying to build their skill set?

Let me root around my grab bag of aviation incidents and miscellanea, see how far back we have to go to dig up a shining example of Korea's well-oiled aviation machine.... oh my, what have we here.... 5 May of the year of our Lord 2-0-1-6... all of.... 18 days ago! LMAO....

Incident: Korean A332 at Seoul on May 5th 2016, runway incursion forces SQ-16 to reject takeoff

Blah blah blah, SQ cleared for take-off, something something... runway incursion due to KE a/c ignoring or "misunderstanding" instructions and... what have we here... preliminary findings.... ATC first transmission "not clear," second transmission "non-standard phraseology..." blah blah blah. You're right. No problems in Incheon. Evuhr. As for KE, their management are still shining the plaque for their award for 46th place out of 60 companies ranked for aviation safety. Korea... Hwaiting!!!
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Old 23rd May 2016, 05:35
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QAR data indicates that the ground speed at the time of the RTO was 139kts (CAS 146kts). Reverse thrust was not used during the maneuver as in the crew’s opinion, the rate of deceleration was high and there was sufficient runway remaining.
WTF???? Did I miss a FCTM amendment?
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Old 23rd May 2016, 06:17
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Warmed the brakes up nicely I'd imagine.
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Old 23rd May 2016, 06:19
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Wow! So brilliant at RTO's that, when you get a real one at very high speed, you invent a new way to do it, all by yourself, in that split second.
You must be very clever, or INSANE!!!!
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Old 23rd May 2016, 08:17
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Back on topic. May 31st. Tic toc AT, tic toc.
Is that a biological clock ?
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Old 23rd May 2016, 08:42
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While 9V-SWP attempted to return to the holding point runway 15R via taxiway A a number of main tyres deflated about 270 meters from the runway threshold and disabled the aircraft.
If only they taxied a little faster perhaps they could have got airborne and landed with 12 flat tyres.

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Old 23rd May 2016, 10:56
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An Agreement Has Been Reached....

Sucked you in yes ??

I presume that any agreements (tentative or otherwise) will be promulgated to all relevant AOA members for perusal PRIOR TO any action/voting; in particular anything to do with rostering. Am I not correct?

If so, insist it be distributed in PDF format !!!

That way, perhaps even prior to reading the document, one can open in Adobe Reader and do a word/phrase search..
Do a word/phrase search for: should, should normally, normally, published, exceptional, exceptional circumstances, can, subject, subject to, disruptions .... you get the drift ..... The more hits you get, the bigger the pile of BS..
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Old 23rd May 2016, 12:32
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Of course. You can save $250 USD by not selecting reverse. Just ask Qantas.
Boeing would have no technical objection to deviate from manufacturers procedures, they get to sell the replacement airframe.

Works well at Lion Air, Boeing shareholders profit.
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Old 23rd May 2016, 14:03
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Its for pulling crap like this why I would never fly on a Kolean airline.

Their English is atrocious - we have all heard them around the region. Closely followed by the Mainland pilots who can't even say their own call sign if it goes into 4-Digits.

And at the bottom of the steaming pile of bad spoken English are the Australians. Who ironically are the ones going for the $20K per month China contracts.

Something about holes lining up.....
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Old 24th May 2016, 11:19
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Oh boy here we go again...........
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