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KA training CX pilots

Old 20th Mar 2016, 08:37
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As inflammatory as KA trainers possibly undermining the efforts of 3000 CX pilots who are fighting to obtain reasonable working conditions? Ok, whatever you say. I'm with Mole on this. You can't expect sympathy and support if you are working against your 'sister' airline pilot group. Not quite sure why the indignation against what he said. Didn't seem an unreasonable position to express.
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 08:44
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CX management would love to have both groups fighting each other. Having said that, it is worth KA pilots being aware there is a real cost to blindly being used as a tool to undermine the ongoing efforts of the CX pilot group.
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 10:17
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DPA better demand that KA F/Os sit on the jumpseat as safety pilot on full credit or they can watch their monthly pay take a nosedive while the CX boys and girls operate all their sectors!!!
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 11:48
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KA trainers themselves are not undermining our efforts. They are being told to train CX pilots. It's that simple. Its management doing the undermining.

As CX pilots, I'll have an issue with those KA trainers if they train our pilots after our trainers stop training our pilots, our pilots stop flying….I stop flying. Until we do that, then you simply cannot expect pilots to not do the job they are employed to do. Isn't that called Contract Compliance, just doing your job.
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 12:30
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Few questions for the smart people out there:

Is it even legal, immigration-wise, for a cx pilot to be trained in KA? (I remember there being a little note in my visa that said I could only work for CPA)
Isn't the Cx pilot under training at KA technically working under KA cos during training?
What happens if a trainee cocks something up, is he/she in trouble with CX or KA?
D&g procedure? What role can the AOA have when a pilot is working on the other side of the fence?

Cx, with their great organizational skills, have undoubtedly thought of every potential problem and figured out a way to deal with it.(/s)

Can a trainee refuse flying an aircraft with a different AOC?

Sounds to me there are a lot of potential issues with this 'solution', maybe the company is just trying to shake the tree, and waiting to see what falls out?

Ps.
KA are our brothers, sooner or later we will be working for the same company.
The way we will merge will largely depend on how well the two unions work together in a time like this. No doubt there will be an effort to try to divide us.

Psps.
You can't expect KA to fight our battles for us. We still have our own trainers that can resign from training, before we can ask KA trainers for any favors.

pspsps.
KA, you can be on my JS anytime ;-)

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Old 20th Mar 2016, 12:48
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Its not an issue legally

A Dragonair cadet course DA9all flew with CX for several years before returning to KA.
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 12:52
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Originally Posted by S22 View Post
A Dragonair cadet course DA9all flew with CX for several years before returning to KA.
Yes, but was he a local cadet, not bound by the limitations of the visa?
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 17:21
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Why hasn't the HKAOA gotten together with the DPA regarding this and any other potential issues to gain solidarity?

There must be leadership to the rank and file pilots from both associations before any action is taken by individuals. Until the two associations lead their respective groups, expect more individual actions that solve nothing and play right into management hands.

Until then, the only thing jumpseat wars do is hurt pilots.
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 18:13
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Its easy, if this happens then ill be the first one to vote to staple KA pilots when SLI happens
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 23:47
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Legality

Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
Few questions for the smart people out there:

Is it even legal, immigration-wise, for a cx pilot to be trained in KA? (I remember there being a little note in my visa that said I could only work for CPA)
Isn't the Cx pilot under training at KA technically working under KA cos during training?
What happens if a trainee cocks something up, is he/she in trouble with CX or KA?
D&g procedure? What role can the AOA have when a pilot is working on the other side of the fence?

Cx, with their great organizational skills, have undoubtedly thought of every potential problem and figured out a way to deal with it.(/s)

Can a trainee refuse flying an aircraft with a different AOC?

Sounds to me there are a lot of potential issues with this 'solution', maybe the company is just trying to shake the tree, and waiting to see what falls out?

Ps.
KA are our brothers, sooner or later we will be working for the same company.
The way we will merge will largely depend on how well the two unions work together in a time like this. No doubt there will be an effort to try to divide us.

Psps.
You can't expect KA to fight our battles for us. We still have our own trainers that can resign from training, before we can ask KA trainers for any favors.

pspsps.
KA, you can be on my JS anytime ;-)
CX did the KA pilots L1011 training and they flew CX routes.
So I guess it''s been done before.
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Old 21st Mar 2016, 00:35
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Doesn't CX say they need to hire "expats" (on local terms I might add) because they cant get enough locals???

Yet they are giving them to KA so apparently CX has too many perhaps all these legality flags should be raised where possible.
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