Management Position
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From: heads down trying to figure out Chinese RVSM
I've said it before, I'll say it again; WHY WHY WHY does the AOA allow management pilots to be members of its organisation? 
It doesn't matter that they are ineligible to vote - management is management.
When I flew with a GC member and I asked this question, the reply given was, "Oh, that's the way it's always been".
It doesn't matter that they are ineligible to vote - management is management.
When I flew with a GC member and I asked this question, the reply given was, "Oh, that's the way it's always been".
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From: Polar Route
As usual on industrial matters, Curtain Rod, you've nailed it. Btw, I'm pretty sure new DCP, PH, will be "forced" to violate the training ban in his new position. Yet, he accepted the position in full knowledge of this fact. In my mind, that (plus a shameless attack on one of our own GC members) warrants an expulsion.
PS - Funny/sad to see how the standards have dropped precipitously in the management ranks as well as on the line and in the simulator. Not only do we hire almost exclusively low time pilots, but our new trainers and CP's office managers reflect CX scraping the bottom of the barrel. I remember, not long ago, when these positions were highly competitive and sought after by the most senior and talented amongst us. No longer!!! Well done 9th floor
I hope we are all prepared to testify to these facts after CX packs one in...
PS - Funny/sad to see how the standards have dropped precipitously in the management ranks as well as on the line and in the simulator. Not only do we hire almost exclusively low time pilots, but our new trainers and CP's office managers reflect CX scraping the bottom of the barrel. I remember, not long ago, when these positions were highly competitive and sought after by the most senior and talented amongst us. No longer!!! Well done 9th floor
I hope we are all prepared to testify to these facts after CX packs one in...
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From: Not in a Bus
Oh and let me guess, they're both Australian
Wrong for a start "Guess"!! and how is that acceptable? Pick on many other specific sections of society and there'd be howls and you'd be booted off.
Pathetic use of anonymity.
WN - (Not an Aussie)
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From: Europe
"Oh, and let me guess. They're both Australian?"
I'm Australian and This statement hasn't offended me. In fact my fellow countrymen fail to amaze me anymore!
Someone stated during CC we were going to get the !!!!e of the !!!!e apply for training. Well true to form all nations have put forward there best self serving psychopath's.
I'm proud to say anything Australians do, we do well. It's no accident we are in the lead to take gold in both the training and management events....
I'm Australian and This statement hasn't offended me. In fact my fellow countrymen fail to amaze me anymore!
Someone stated during CC we were going to get the !!!!e of the !!!!e apply for training. Well true to form all nations have put forward there best self serving psychopath's.
I'm proud to say anything Australians do, we do well. It's no accident we are in the lead to take gold in both the training and management events....
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From: Hong Kong
Seriously an F/O as deputy chief pilot technical?
Imagine this bloke when he gets four stripes?
Why would you do it? You may as well get the word TOSSER tattooed on your forehead.
CRM facilitators, training FOs, etc. etc. what is the thought process here? Is there some sort of belief that when you upgrade it will be an easier ride? Not at CX.
Imagine this bloke when he gets four stripes?
Why would you do it? You may as well get the word TOSSER tattooed on your forehead.
CRM facilitators, training FOs, etc. etc. what is the thought process here? Is there some sort of belief that when you upgrade it will be an easier ride? Not at CX.
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From: Hong Kong
Management Position
At a meeting at the Mariners club in 1994 when it was announced that Cathay would be introducing B scales.
Someone stood up and said if they paid peanuts they would get monkeys.
I rest my case!!
Someone stood up and said if they paid peanuts they would get monkeys.
I rest my case!!
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From: Nippi
Unfortunately the USAOA is just as ineffective as the other AOA chapters. We are being forced to sign a COS16 with concessions on pay, vacation and sick leave rules. CX pilots must be Swahili for limp dicks.
Right. So, just like G days workers, TA volunteers, etc., how much support do we have for a management ban? Show your "+1" here, then please email the GC this weekend...
If the GC doesn't put forward a rule change for a vote (including the expulsion of management pilots, the most obvious first step) then someone will have to gather 10% support on the AOA forum....Will you do it, with your fellow management members reading and watching? That's why we need the GC to do it.
And we also need the GC to put an end to all the work we keep being forced to do for no credit, when we are legally not even allowed to be working in order to rest from our last ridiculous duty pattern and be ready for the next one - just like the ANO says.
RF and the gang, are you listening? And are the AOAC, AOAE, USAOA and AOAA on board, or will another 1 to 3 years pass by with no changes?
Thank you!
If the GC doesn't put forward a rule change for a vote (including the expulsion of management pilots, the most obvious first step) then someone will have to gather 10% support on the AOA forum....Will you do it, with your fellow management members reading and watching? That's why we need the GC to do it.
And we also need the GC to put an end to all the work we keep being forced to do for no credit, when we are legally not even allowed to be working in order to rest from our last ridiculous duty pattern and be ready for the next one - just like the ANO says.
RF and the gang, are you listening? And are the AOAC, AOAE, USAOA and AOAA on board, or will another 1 to 3 years pass by with no changes?
Thank you!
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From: Polar Route
Like I said, scraping the bottom of the barrel. Makes me wonder if they even want good pilots anymore.
PS - At least I don't have to worry about passing upgrades... Or maybe I do if I do too good of a job???
PS - At least I don't have to worry about passing upgrades... Or maybe I do if I do too good of a job???
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From: Where You Aren't
DropKnee said:
No, we're not being forced. USAOA leadership is not recommending NOT signing. Therefore, the limpdicks will sign, and, being the majority, those with stones will be thrown under the bus, again.
HKAOA has produced a limpdick offspring: USAOA
Unfortunately the USAOA is just as ineffective as the other AOA chapters. We are being forced to sign a COS16 with concessions on pay, vacation and sick leave rules. CX pilots must be Swahili for limp dicks.
HKAOA has produced a limpdick offspring: USAOA