CX838
Joined: Aug 2013
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From: Hong Kong
Well if that was the issue ,then he clearly needs to go back to ground school
He should have known that it is impossible to open a door in flight .
But yes it's a total double standard .
Look at what happened to the chief pilot of the Seattle fly by incident . so will this be judged in the same light .?
The major issue now becomes , how will he ever be in a position to discipline a crew member for any minor infraction of the rules ?
He should have known that it is impossible to open a door in flight .
But yes it's a total double standard .
Look at what happened to the chief pilot of the Seattle fly by incident . so will this be judged in the same light .?
The major issue now becomes , how will he ever be in a position to discipline a crew member for any minor infraction of the rules ?
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From: hong kong
I don't see how he can ever return to his previously held position after something like this
It will be very interesting to see how this will be handled once he returns from sick leave , or will the the ever pervasive double standards be applied as per usual
It will be very interesting to see how this will be handled once he returns from sick leave , or will the the ever pervasive double standards be applied as per usual
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From: Hong Kong
Memories are so short on this ..
Anyone remember the off duty drunk guy who in his poor state after a nite on the town took home a Octupus machine?
If you appeared in the office during that bruhaa there was a large cadre of managers calling for said guys dismissal... He survived by grace.....and maybe an act of kindness....but
The double standard this reeks of is disgusting....
And anyone who peels the line "on good authority" is helping the company spin..
GL is a good guy but unless there is mitigating circumstances or the incident is highly exaggerated....he should face the higher standard that senior officers such as Captains and even higher standards that should be held for managers....with transparency and not the cloak and dagger coverup thats occuring
Anyone remember the off duty drunk guy who in his poor state after a nite on the town took home a Octupus machine?
If you appeared in the office during that bruhaa there was a large cadre of managers calling for said guys dismissal... He survived by grace.....and maybe an act of kindness....but
The double standard this reeks of is disgusting....
And anyone who peels the line "on good authority" is helping the company spin..
GL is a good guy but unless there is mitigating circumstances or the incident is highly exaggerated....he should face the higher standard that senior officers such as Captains and even higher standards that should be held for managers....with transparency and not the cloak and dagger coverup thats occuring
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From: the land of chocolate
I would allow a case of double standard in this case, if necessary.(not that it matters!)
He is one of the guys and is one of the few up there doing a responsible job of keeping things safe and fair.
True leadership, and not just a yes-man.
He is one of the guys and is one of the few up there doing a responsible job of keeping things safe and fair.
True leadership, and not just a yes-man.
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From: Europe
The elephant in the room must have read Part A regarding the use of such medicines.
The company has zero tolerance to such behaviour!
The company has zero tolerance to such behaviour!
Sleeping drug linked to deadly side-effects
Print
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 19/02/2008
Reporter: Deborah Cornwall
There's growing debate over claims some commonly prescribed sleeping pills are linked to bizarre side effects and even death. Now one family is campaigning to ban them after their daughter died after jumping off a bridge.
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 19/02/2008
Reporter: Deborah Cornwall
There's growing debate over claims some commonly prescribed sleeping pills are linked to bizarre side effects and even death. Now one family is campaigning to ban them after their daughter died after jumping off a bridge.
Transcript
KERRY O'BRIEN: The drug Stilnox is one of the most popular sleeping pills in the world, but after several years of controversy it's under review by the Therapeutic Goods Administration.
In the past few years there has been a growing number of reports to a national consumer hotline linking the drug to up to 14 deaths and a range of bizarre side effects, from hallucinations to sleep driving.
The TGA last year upgraded its warnings to Stilnox users. But many health professionals believe the drug is now being over-prescribed and often misused by patients, and such is the concern the TGA will tomorrow consider whether Stilnox needs to be rescheduled as a drug of abuse.
KERRY O'BRIEN: The drug Stilnox is one of the most popular sleeping pills in the world, but after several years of controversy it's under review by the Therapeutic Goods Administration.
In the past few years there has been a growing number of reports to a national consumer hotline linking the drug to up to 14 deaths and a range of bizarre side effects, from hallucinations to sleep driving.
The TGA last year upgraded its warnings to Stilnox users. But many health professionals believe the drug is now being over-prescribed and often misused by patients, and such is the concern the TGA will tomorrow consider whether Stilnox needs to be rescheduled as a drug of abuse.
STILNOX®
zolpidem tartrate
Consumer Medicine Information
WARNING: ZOLPIDEM MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH UNUSUAL AND POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS BEHAVIOURS WHILST APPARENTLY ASLEEP. THESE HAVE INCLUDED SLEEP WALKING, DRIVING MOTOR VEHICLES AND OTHER BIZARRE BEHAVIOURS. SOME MEDICINES MAY INTERACT WITH ZOLPIDEM AND PARTICULAR CAUTION IS NEEDED WITH OTHER DRUGS THAT MAY ALSO ACT ON THE BRAIN; BEFORE YOU TAKE ZOLPIDEM REFER TO THE "TAKING OTHER MEDICINES" SECTION BELOW OR ASK YOUR DOCTOR OR PHARMACIST. YOU MUST NOT DRINK ALCOHOL WHEN YOU TAKE ZOLPIDEM. DO NOT TAKE ZOLPIDEM FOR MORE THAN 4 WEEKS. IF YOUR SLEEP PROBLEMS CONTINUE, CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR.
zolpidem tartrate
Consumer Medicine Information
WARNING: ZOLPIDEM MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH UNUSUAL AND POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS BEHAVIOURS WHILST APPARENTLY ASLEEP. THESE HAVE INCLUDED SLEEP WALKING, DRIVING MOTOR VEHICLES AND OTHER BIZARRE BEHAVIOURS. SOME MEDICINES MAY INTERACT WITH ZOLPIDEM AND PARTICULAR CAUTION IS NEEDED WITH OTHER DRUGS THAT MAY ALSO ACT ON THE BRAIN; BEFORE YOU TAKE ZOLPIDEM REFER TO THE "TAKING OTHER MEDICINES" SECTION BELOW OR ASK YOUR DOCTOR OR PHARMACIST. YOU MUST NOT DRINK ALCOHOL WHEN YOU TAKE ZOLPIDEM. DO NOT TAKE ZOLPIDEM FOR MORE THAN 4 WEEKS. IF YOUR SLEEP PROBLEMS CONTINUE, CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR.
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From: The Cesspit
Curtain Rod, et al,
There is nothing new in the way cx has handled this incident. There's no double standards or hypocrisy. It's the same old playbook they use time and time again. It doesn't matter if it's an operational matter or breach of discipline.
Do nothing, say nothing.
Those involved given a few weeks PRA and hidden away.
See if the media finds anything, and, if so, what their take on it is.
Act in accordance with the suggestions from the editor of the Apple Daily.
Remember every office in cx city from the 9th floor down had a framed photo of the wilkinson sword. Right up until the day CNN lampooned it as a cowboy stunt. I hope those photos were placed in the recycle bin and not just shredded.
And the same playbook was used with the crew of cx780. "We have no comment until the investigation is complete". In the meantime, the media and aviation bodies worldwide were singing the praises of the crew involved with cx's belated praise being mute, weak and looking ridiculous.
Changing the playbook would require leadership.
That's not going to happen while this circus meanders along with Ivan the Invisible and Anna the Incompetent.
There is nothing new in the way cx has handled this incident. There's no double standards or hypocrisy. It's the same old playbook they use time and time again. It doesn't matter if it's an operational matter or breach of discipline.
Do nothing, say nothing.
Those involved given a few weeks PRA and hidden away.
See if the media finds anything, and, if so, what their take on it is.
Act in accordance with the suggestions from the editor of the Apple Daily.
Remember every office in cx city from the 9th floor down had a framed photo of the wilkinson sword. Right up until the day CNN lampooned it as a cowboy stunt. I hope those photos were placed in the recycle bin and not just shredded.
And the same playbook was used with the crew of cx780. "We have no comment until the investigation is complete". In the meantime, the media and aviation bodies worldwide were singing the praises of the crew involved with cx's belated praise being mute, weak and looking ridiculous.
Changing the playbook would require leadership.
That's not going to happen while this circus meanders along with Ivan the Invisible and Anna the Incompetent.
Last edited by Progress Wanchai; 7th November 2015 at 03:47.
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From: Brexitland
"Leadership"
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
Not a shred of that particular attribute has been in evidence anywhere in Cathay for years.
'Yes men' and 'Yes ladies' one and all. Do as your told. Never argue or resign ( not one Manager has ever resigned in protest - even when ordered to fire their own colleagues).
Expecting 'Leadership' from a culture developed over decades is as futile as expecting accountants to take a back seat in Swire's decision- making processes. It ain't going to happen.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
Not a shred of that particular attribute has been in evidence anywhere in Cathay for years.
'Yes men' and 'Yes ladies' one and all. Do as your told. Never argue or resign ( not one Manager has ever resigned in protest - even when ordered to fire their own colleagues).
Expecting 'Leadership' from a culture developed over decades is as futile as expecting accountants to take a back seat in Swire's decision- making processes. It ain't going to happen.
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From: In the hold
Progress Wanchai
Wrong! 18 months ago a pilot was accused of smelling of alcohol, 3 days later he was out of the building. No media involvement. In his hearing, the GMA only had one line , straight from Part A as quoted in a previous post.
Various lawyers was amazed in how tests was performed, scaring me for the future as CX propose random testing, but that is another subject matter.
Advice from lawyers to said pilot was , it is a slam dunk case, just not in Hong Kong against Swire.
A definite double standard..
Various lawyers was amazed in how tests was performed, scaring me for the future as CX propose random testing, but that is another subject matter.
Advice from lawyers to said pilot was , it is a slam dunk case, just not in Hong Kong against Swire.
A definite double standard..
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From: Hong Kong
Progress Wanchai
Progress Wan Chai
No argument with the general sentiment of your latest post (no 85)........
however I seem to recall a ready endorsement and support of the CX780 crew by the Airbus fleet office very soon after the event, before any investigation had been started let alone completed.
An easy Google search provides the following:
Crew Actions
The Captain and First Officer both displayed commendable professionalism and airmanship of the highest order in successfully handling the challenging situation they faced.
And justifiably so!!
No argument with the general sentiment of your latest post (no 85)........
however I seem to recall a ready endorsement and support of the CX780 crew by the Airbus fleet office very soon after the event, before any investigation had been started let alone completed.
An easy Google search provides the following:
Crew Actions
The Captain and First Officer both displayed commendable professionalism and airmanship of the highest order in successfully handling the challenging situation they faced.
And justifiably so!!
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From: with the ex-CX pond scum (a zoologist was once head of Flight Ops)
As a long time A scale management pilot, he's not poor. He can always go back to flying warbirds.
And you can open the canopy of most of those in flight.
And you can open the canopy of most of those in flight.
Last edited by Captain Dart; 9th November 2015 at 00:34.