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taxi officer?

Old 4th Sep 2015, 10:01
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Why not just send the crew, pax, fuel, cleaners, cargo and catering to wherever the Aircraft is located???

Every Aircraft at the hangar still needs a Tug and driver to push it out of its bay, there are no drive in drive out bays for our Aircraft at CLK.

Just send everything to the Aircraft.

Upside is a really short Taxy to 07R from the hangar
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 10:15
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The problem is we are trying to apply logic to a situation run by locals, anytime you do that you can use logic to predict the answer....

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Old 4th Sep 2015, 10:46
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Oh and when the Engineers tell me the spare part they need is down the hangar they will be able to pop over and get it.

Instead of making excuses after the Jets been on the ground for 2 hours and they've been too busy chatting in the flight deck filling out the ADD.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 11:00
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At "The CPG" if you have a ground return due to a technical fault, there is no credit for the time you spent taxiing to the runway and back. It does not count as a sector for your max Flight Time Limitations.

No credit and no extra sector towards your FDP while taxing the aircraft to the gate from HAECO. Live with it or leave or be fired.

When the Loading Staff start to wear "Red Hats", it will now become a requirement for all cockpit crew to wear their hats while doing a walk around. Our Check and Training staff will enforce this. If a member of our staff notices any crew from the Terminal area not wearing their hats, they are asked to take a note of the date, time and flight number so the crew will be reminded to wear their hats. A note will be put on your personal file and may have a significant impact on your upgrade. Please be guided accordingly.

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Old 4th Sep 2015, 11:20
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So much of what you say is spot on, The Management, but……

if you cannot fly because you are over 900hrs, you cannot taxi!

Taxying is duty, i have no problem adding taxi time to my FDP and enjoying a room party with Cabin Crew at an outport because i have run out of hours.

Just remember, the pilots will always have the last laugh!
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 13:51
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self promoting himself.
Does he say "On behalf of myself" on his PA?

I can imagine the conversation on the bus to the aircraft....." I'll take it up, you can bring it back".
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 14:08
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Christ - are 'Hats' really a top priority in the SFC (Swire's Flying Circus). You have a lot of work to do before you get to hats mate - believe me. Hello! Hello! Anyone there……..???
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 14:52
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Any time that the aircraft taxis under its own power "with the intent of taking off" until it next comes to rest with the park brake on and engines shut down = "a sector".

I think that is in the A.N.O. somewhere.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 15:31
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That's a very black and white definition kenfoggo.
Get with the program. Aviation is grey.

This is a fantastic way of low experienced cadets to get their sectors up.

The only other way is working G's.
A bit like tonight's EWR flight
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 17:10
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Don't blame HAECO for an aircraft that is not fixed having been on the ground for hours, they have a contract to accept the aircraft, report defects and to depart/rectify aircraft defects, it's CX that decides to book and pay for extra time to repair a defect outside the allotted contact, CX policy is to hope the defect can be repaired in the "contracted" and already paid for time.

And we all know how much CX likes to step over a pound to pick up a penny.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 18:33
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Am I expecting the Haeco split duty on my next roster?
Maybe with a minimum rest between tows and no supper allowance since I was very fast and efficient?
What happen if we get a flat tire?
Should start to carry " fix a flat" in my flight bag now ....
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 03:46
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How much is the flag fall?
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 04:49
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I just cant see how its going to be much quicker. ATC will know you are simply positioning the aircraft, and should - correctly - make you last on the priority list, after all the taking off and landing aircraft have passed you by.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 15:08
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The whole point of the 100 and 900 hour limits is to put a cap on work-load.

Adding non credit duties onto Crew who have reached their legal limits is totally absurd. They should be recovering to resume duties once they are below the legal limits.

Duty cycles are now currently so tight, it will be difficult for anyone to do aircraft positioning prior to their report. So you can expect this to occur at the end of a trip.

Example, you operate JFK to HKG 18 hour FDP. Then push-back so you can taxi off the gate to a remote bay. Then you go over to HAECO and taxi another aircraft to a bay. Then the same again so you can taxi another aircraft to a bay. Then you go and start your recovery period.... but wait a minute. You are on a continuous duty, so tomorrow you are doing a NRT turn-around.
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 06:17
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I'm guessing it will be the VERY few checkers and trainers that did NOT sign the recent letter to management. No surprise to see who the few holdouts were. Pathetic in every way. Losers.
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 07:55
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Not 'supposed' Curtain. The letter is fact, sent to AT last week. Hard hitting, emphasising fatigue, inexperience and shambolic rostering. Ends with a warning of an inevitable hull loss. It's now part of the record. If CX do experience a hull loss, and it ends up, say, in the US courts?, to have not addressed the issues raised would be catastrophic in any legal venue. The ball is in their court now. Let's see if they just bury their heads in the sand on this one....
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 08:47
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Nothing significant resulted from Haddon Cave; what chance does a letter from Trainers and Checkers have? Not much I suspect!

As long as the incentive is profit; and as long as the solutions to those problems involves spending money, nothing will change!

Hopefully the “House of Cards” does not come tumbling down!
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 12:30
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Well, when I correlate the address list of the email with the names NOT on the list, those missing names are coincidentally the very individuals that I would have suspected were lacking in character and didn't want to man up. No surprise. The telling thing is the approximately 95%+ of C and T's that did sign up. Well done.

And as for those freighter crews: I presume they are now off 'unfit' due fatigue? Perhaps the rest of us will take that step BEFORE we start falling asleep at the controls....
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 13:05
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The original draft was sent to a small group of us, numbering around 30, until it was sensibly suggested that it be sent to all trainers, in an attempt to get the most signatures possible.

Not everybody hits 'reply all' and the electronic signature list was not on my copy of the final letter sent to the DFO but maybe it was on yours?

What I find interesting, are the names still responding, knowing full well the letter has already gone without their signature, saying they fully support the initiative. We all know the likely 'losers' on our respective fleets but the ultimate loser is the cock who leaked the information that the folder would be in despatch and had it removed, shorty after it was placed there for signatures.

Bet he was based in…… LHR
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 15:18
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2 pages before the thread went completely off topic. We're getting better!
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