Hong Kong new ATM system is 'safe'
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The more I read the more I shake not because of the cold weather.....this thing is really a useless tool.
Right now the project is three years delay, I don't think we can wait for 11 years, however, I also worry we don't wait for 11 years but risk for hard opening.
What a dichotomy!
Canada’s air traffic control system: It was supposed to replace Canada’s aging flight data technology, but the new air traffic control system was 11 years overdue, and its $1 billion cost was 50 per cent more than Ottawa had budgeted. The project was hampered by more than 5,300 changes requested by Transport Canada, but also benefited from the involvement of Nav Canada, the private corporation that manages Canada’s airspace, which held contractors to timelines and demanded penalties to finish the system.
What a dichotomy!
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http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewt...p?f=68&t=42425
seemed like it took even longer that 11 years, it sounded more like the canadian just gave up on RTN to get it usable, and just took whatever RTN deliveried at the end of that 11 year.
NAV CAN have to further work and self develop CAATS after RTN's delivery, and made it usable eventually.
All it ended up with:
seemed like it took even longer that 11 years, it sounded more like the canadian just gave up on RTN to get it usable, and just took whatever RTN deliveried at the end of that 11 year.
NAV CAN have to further work and self develop CAATS after RTN's delivery, and made it usable eventually.
All it ended up with:
CAATS is working at the limits of its capabilities
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The Canadian Automated Air-Traffic system was 11 years late and, at $1 billion, more than 50 per cent over budget.
That is a fair statement. We are half way through....five more years before able to use this rubbish. It is not a matter of over budget, it is because this company used a ridiculous low bid price to get the entrance ticket and after signing contract, they said they won't do this and that, not in the contract etc. Anyway this company is famous in cheating customer. All in all, cheating is ok if they can deliver a usable product to customer that the customer can still say buying an expensive toy but the present situation is different, the toy is not usable, its catastrophic design could lead to catastrophic failure.
Pragmatically hopeless.
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The thread sounds familiar to recent crash. Here is today SCMP:
Delayed take-off: Further hold up for HK$1.5 billion Raytheon AutoTrac III air traffic control system | South China Morning Post
Delayed take-off: Further hold up for HK$1.5 billion Raytheon AutoTrac III air traffic control system | South China Morning Post
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I am waiting for the OFFICIAL HKAOA letter to the head of the CAD, inquiring as to the verified integrity and safety of the new system. Without a certified letter on record confirming such guarantees, the HKAOA and it's members should loudly and publicly refuse to be subject to such a system. Crickets.....
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AT3 system logic is full of bugs and can crash anytime, at least half the controllers are not ready or trained enough to operate it, when my console ceases I will tell you all to keep a good lookout for traffic and wish you the best of luck. The bosses will still push it so that they can justify asking the local airlines to cut flights but if they are a conscience they know it is a flawed system
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Not 100% related, but 85-90% related there is an article from a few days ago: Another delay for Hong Kong?s new air traffic control system, with probe launched | South China Morning Post
And, when egos out weigh safety, it's time to leave HK.
Just add it to the list:
Seven out of 10 Hongkongers think the city has become a worse place in which to live, survey says | South China Morning Post
And do remember that there are real people like myself in these planes, and I don't have a death wish yet.
And, when egos out weigh safety, it's time to leave HK.
Just add it to the list:
Seven out of 10 Hongkongers think the city has become a worse place in which to live, survey says | South China Morning Post
And do remember that there are real people like myself in these planes, and I don't have a death wish yet.
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And do remember that there are real people like myself in these planes, and I don't have a death wish yet.
By the way, there is a new software build just days before DAY ONE operation, I hope they test it well with live traffic.
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PFI Readiness, 'self assessment' form. Scale 1 - 5. 1=completely not ready
2 and below, 'not ready' and you will receive more time under supervision.
3 or above , you are considered ready for day one ops. 60% as an acceptable standard for live ops is nothing short of sub-standard and it should be only a '5' i.e. completely ready as the only acceptable mark, and should be by an 'examiner'.
Do you get to go 'live' / fly your 'jet' solo, with a pass rate of 60%, and self assessment. No!
New build: A new 'build' download' on a brand new system only days before going 'live', is asking for trouble and adds another level of risk, (risk management?).
2 and below, 'not ready' and you will receive more time under supervision.
3 or above , you are considered ready for day one ops. 60% as an acceptable standard for live ops is nothing short of sub-standard and it should be only a '5' i.e. completely ready as the only acceptable mark, and should be by an 'examiner'.
Do you get to go 'live' / fly your 'jet' solo, with a pass rate of 60%, and self assessment. No!
New build: A new 'build' download' on a brand new system only days before going 'live', is asking for trouble and adds another level of risk, (risk management?).
