Hong Kong new ATM system is 'safe'
"Can anyone confirm the guy who wrote the procedure is being fired? Hope to see a better writer, the one we are trained on is workload driven. He should be fired earlier."
Nice work EARLY-GO.
Nothing like playing the man and not the ball.
You think the guys over there take any joy in having make the thing work to your satisfaction? Its a dog's breakfast.
Focus on the real problem, not the poor guys trying to make it work.
Feel free to offer your services if you think you could do better.
You make me sick
Nice work EARLY-GO.
Nothing like playing the man and not the ball.
You think the guys over there take any joy in having make the thing work to your satisfaction? Its a dog's breakfast.
Focus on the real problem, not the poor guys trying to make it work.
Feel free to offer your services if you think you could do better.
You make me sick
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Sarcasm works well.
Everything is bad except there is still early go in the day one operations. The engineers are laughing at us, the blame successfully passed to atmd that the head of us accepted it because of his evil agenda.
Sometimes, being fired is good. We will be very surprised if any tailored-made procedure would work on this system with only 16 days Detail Design Review with the contractor.
Our great engineering chief + engineering head + ddgca, may I have your attention now. Thank you for your bright idea: 23 months to have a sophisticated system work as per design, 16 days DDR (as compared to 9 months spent in AT1 project), give-away of safety requirements, etc etc. Countless of wrongdoings.....now you pass all the fault to the users - controller and assistant. I now formally curse your act.
Time for a decent break, Mike!
Everything is bad except there is still early go in the day one operations. The engineers are laughing at us, the blame successfully passed to atmd that the head of us accepted it because of his evil agenda.
Sometimes, being fired is good. We will be very surprised if any tailored-made procedure would work on this system with only 16 days Detail Design Review with the contractor.
Our great engineering chief + engineering head + ddgca, may I have your attention now. Thank you for your bright idea: 23 months to have a sophisticated system work as per design, 16 days DDR (as compared to 9 months spent in AT1 project), give-away of safety requirements, etc etc. Countless of wrongdoings.....now you pass all the fault to the users - controller and assistant. I now formally curse your act.
Time for a decent break, Mike!
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You guys are having a difficult time, I hope someone can translate the following in English.
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I thought three miles separation is the minimum not four miles.
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He will leave in this Sept and cannot extend three months.
Last edited by john_null; 18th Jan 2016 at 13:35. Reason: I wanted to say the "short" guy was told to leave in May this year.
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So when will ICAC arrest him and his fellow DDG, ADGs?
ICAC: Independent Commission Against Corruption (Hong Kong)
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At the end of 23 years, the whoever/whoever will know what really need to be done and get what we need...........but, the contractor will, again, use a ridiculous low tender price to cheat CAD. The new system is a fake system, it can only handle four aeroplanes in holding pattern. Whoever try to handle six (as required) will get caught by this state of the art label design.
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Just look at how ASA rated RTN for Onesky (page 3)
http://auntypru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Airservices-OneSKY-Document.pdf
http://auntypru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Airservices-OneSKY-Document.pdf
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Keep seeing the word CAATS everywhere in AT3, didn't realized until seeing this old thread here. That is really something before AT2.
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The ancestor of AT3, CAATS was done some 15 years ago, but it still appeared in The Vancouver Sun recently as a bad examples.
Looking at this, RTN are pretty decent this time compare with what they done to the Canadians.
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The Canadian Automated Air-Traffic system was 11 years late and, at $1 billion, more than 50 per cent over budget.
Transport Canada continually tolerated problems in its early development, putting the project behind schedule and in danger of collapse with more than 5,300 ordered changes to the system. It then admitted the project had become a “mess.”
The federal government dumped that mess in 1996 onto Nav Canada, as part of its privatization of Canada’s air navigation service.
Nav Canada, now a private corporation, took a different approach — demanding $7 million in penalties from a contractor, threatening to make its own system outside of the contract and making it clear to software firms there was no further changing of the project’s scope.
In the end, hundreds of millions of extra dollars were spent on a system that now forms the backbone of the nation’s air traffic system.
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The Canadian Automated Air-Traffic system was 11 years late and, at $1 billion, more than 50 per cent over budget.
Transport Canada continually tolerated problems in its early development, putting the project behind schedule and in danger of collapse with more than 5,300 ordered changes to the system. It then admitted the project had become a “mess.”
The federal government dumped that mess in 1996 onto Nav Canada, as part of its privatization of Canada’s air navigation service.
Nav Canada, now a private corporation, took a different approach — demanding $7 million in penalties from a contractor, threatening to make its own system outside of the contract and making it clear to software firms there was no further changing of the project’s scope.
In the end, hundreds of millions of extra dollars were spent on a system that now forms the backbone of the nation’s air traffic system.
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Comm'on, it is an old news, let bygone be bygone. Let uncle buy you ice cream and don't make noise, ok? If you don't like ice cream, what about give you some TOIL??