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Eight dead after plane crashes in Taiwan - World - NZ Herald News
The wonder is that only 8 died, or so far has been reported, with 58 pax onboard it seemed likely that no one would've survived an impact like that must've been.
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The wonder is that only 8 died, or so far has been reported, with 58 pax onboard it seemed likely that no one would've survived an impact like that must've been.
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It's only the second one in 6 months. 
Here's the rather spectacular video:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152660854612934
The left engine was failed an feathered.
Ok, I'll jump to conclusions... Shake and bake pilots, poor training standards, poor corporate safety culture. Anyone?
And one both very unlucky and lucky taxi driver...
RIP to those who died.
Here's the rather spectacular video:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152660854612934
The left engine was failed an feathered.
Ok, I'll jump to conclusions... Shake and bake pilots, poor training standards, poor corporate safety culture. Anyone?
And one both very unlucky and lucky taxi driver...
RIP to those who died.
No doubt 'low hours spiky haired icadets' who should have flown 'GA in the bush' to 'cut their teeth'.
Because accidents never occurred when airlines only employed experienced pilots. They've only started happening now that we've begun the 'race to the bottom'
Insert further egotistical comment as required.
RIP
Because accidents never occurred when airlines only employed experienced pilots. They've only started happening now that we've begun the 'race to the bottom'
Insert further egotistical comment as required.
RIP
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My heart goes out to all those that lost loved ones in this accident
The loss of one engine at sea level in cool temps should not have caused too much of a problem . I applaud the pilots efforts in the last few seconds of flight to avoid major buildings and reduce loss of life
Was there something else wrong with the plane or is this a case of pilot error ?
I will reserve my judgement until all the facts are in
The loss of one engine at sea level in cool temps should not have caused too much of a problem . I applaud the pilots efforts in the last few seconds of flight to avoid major buildings and reduce loss of life
Was there something else wrong with the plane or is this a case of pilot error ?
I will reserve my judgement until all the facts are in
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I applaud the pilots efforts in the last few seconds of flight to avoid major buildings and reduce loss of life
I have my doubts weather anything here deserves applauding other than the rescue efforts.
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Originally Posted by LS8C1:8853045
No doubt 'low hours spiky haired icadets' who should have flown 'GA in the bush' to 'cut their teeth'.
Because accidents never occurred when airlines only employed experienced pilots. They've only started happening now that we've begun the 'race to the bottom'
Insert further egotistical comment as required.
RIP
Because accidents never occurred when airlines only employed experienced pilots. They've only started happening now that we've begun the 'race to the bottom'
Insert further egotistical comment as required.
RIP
Hats off to the crew who tried their best to save lives, RIP.
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Also, they made a mayday call... Maybe should've been monitoring the aircraft instead?
Looks like below vmca to me as well.
High time pilots too, you can never think you are better than the other guy just because you have more flight time...
Condolences to the families.
Looks like below vmca to me as well.
High time pilots too, you can never think you are better than the other guy just because you have more flight time...
Condolences to the families.
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Whilst I think many of the conclusions presented above are probably correct, before we jump to conclusions and blame the crew . Perhaps we should wait until the facts are in . there could well be other issues involved
No one has yet looked at maintenance , it is possible that the crew were handed a deck stacked against them
Unfortunately according to the preliminary reports , the right engine failed or developed problems shortly after take off and auto feathered , then for some inexplicable reason the crew shut down the good engine as well . It is reported that they were trying to relight the engine when they crashed but it never gained sufficient thrust to avert a disaster .There is no apparent reason yet for the second engine loss of thrust, shutdown and relight. Perhaps trying to recover thrust following an engine surge / stall
Contaminated fuel is a possibility .
The stall warning was heard on numerous occasions
No one has yet looked at maintenance , it is possible that the crew were handed a deck stacked against them
Unfortunately according to the preliminary reports , the right engine failed or developed problems shortly after take off and auto feathered , then for some inexplicable reason the crew shut down the good engine as well . It is reported that they were trying to relight the engine when they crashed but it never gained sufficient thrust to avert a disaster .There is no apparent reason yet for the second engine loss of thrust, shutdown and relight. Perhaps trying to recover thrust following an engine surge / stall
Contaminated fuel is a possibility .
The stall warning was heard on numerous occasions
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I know where you're coming from, and in these threads there's always a call not to speculate etc, but I think asking for a pilot not to speculate is like asking a cat not to lick its own ar5e.
The discussions are interesting oftentimes and you can learn something too.
Of course it's up to the investigators not to jump to conclusions.
The discussions are interesting oftentimes and you can learn something too.
Of course it's up to the investigators not to jump to conclusions.
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Speculations are almost over. Seems they shut down the wrong engine.
Also, the one that failed had been reported as 'problematic' but the company refused to do anything about it.
Cannot? Cannot.
Also, the one that failed had been reported as 'problematic' but the company refused to do anything about it.
Cannot? Cannot.
I'm with sloppy and frogman, nothing controlled about the crash regardless of what took them to that point
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1,2...Left, Right....
On Feb 6th 2015 Taiwan's ASC reported that the investigation so far determined from flight data and cockpit voice recorders: the aircraft received takeoff clearance at 10:51L, in the initial climb the aircraft was handed off to departure at 10:52:33L. At 10:52:38L at about 1200 feet MSL, 37 seconds after becoming airborne, a master warning activated related to the failure of the right hand engine, at 10:52:43L the left hand engine was throttled back and at 10:53:00L the crew began to discuss engine #1 had stalled. At 10:53:06L the right hand engine (engine #2) auto-feathered. At 10:53:12L a first stall warning occured and ceased at 10:53:18L. At 10:53:19L the crew discussed that engine #1 had already feathered, the fuel supply had already been cut to the engine and decided to attempt a restart of engine #1. Two seconds later another stall warning activated. At 10:53:34L the crew radioed "Mayday! Mayday! Engine flame out!", multiple attempts to restart the engines followed to no avail. At 10:54:34L a second master warning activated, 0.4 seconds later both recorders stopped recording.
Later the day Feb 6th 2015 the ASC also released an English version of the initial release detailing further that when the first master warning activated associated with the right hand engine the crew "called it out", then the left hand engine thrust lever was progressively retarded to flight idle. At 10:53:24L the condition lever was set to fuel shut off position resulting in the shut down of the left hand engine. Following several call outs to restart the left hand engine the parameters suggest the left hand engine was restarted at 10:54:20L, however, at 10:54:34L another master warning sounded, the CVR recorded unidentified sounds and both recorders stopped.
This isn't the first time sadly this has been done...wonder if the "co-pilot", who was a Captain who came in off leave to fill the seat had any issues with being in the Right seat instead of the Left?
Later the day Feb 6th 2015 the ASC also released an English version of the initial release detailing further that when the first master warning activated associated with the right hand engine the crew "called it out", then the left hand engine thrust lever was progressively retarded to flight idle. At 10:53:24L the condition lever was set to fuel shut off position resulting in the shut down of the left hand engine. Following several call outs to restart the left hand engine the parameters suggest the left hand engine was restarted at 10:54:20L, however, at 10:54:34L another master warning sounded, the CVR recorded unidentified sounds and both recorders stopped.
This isn't the first time sadly this has been done...wonder if the "co-pilot", who was a Captain who came in off leave to fill the seat had any issues with being in the Right seat instead of the Left?
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Firstly - RIP - I do believe in the quote that the assumption should be 'Everyone is doing their best'. Time will tell why that led to this.
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