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Old 4th Feb 2015, 05:02
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Eight dead after plane crashes in Taiwan - World - NZ Herald News

The wonder is that only 8 died, or so far has been reported, with 58 pax onboard it seemed likely that no one would've survived an impact like that must've been.

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Old 4th Feb 2015, 05:11
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It's only the second one in 6 months.

Here's the rather spectacular video:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152660854612934

The left engine was failed an feathered.
Ok, I'll jump to conclusions... Shake and bake pilots, poor training standards, poor corporate safety culture. Anyone?

And one both very unlucky and lucky taxi driver...

RIP to those who died.
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Old 4th Feb 2015, 08:11
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No doubt 'low hours spiky haired icadets' who should have flown 'GA in the bush' to 'cut their teeth'.

Because accidents never occurred when airlines only employed experienced pilots. They've only started happening now that we've begun the 'race to the bottom'

Insert further egotistical comment as required.

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Old 4th Feb 2015, 08:28
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Sounds right to me.
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Old 4th Feb 2015, 09:28
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They crashed last year in MKG during a typhoon.

Something is wrong with their training for sure.
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Old 5th Feb 2015, 09:48
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My heart goes out to all those that lost loved ones in this accident

The loss of one engine at sea level in cool temps should not have caused too much of a problem . I applaud the pilots efforts in the last few seconds of flight to avoid major buildings and reduce loss of life

Was there something else wrong with the plane or is this a case of pilot error ?
I will reserve my judgement until all the facts are in
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Old 5th Feb 2015, 13:46
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I applaud the pilots efforts in the last few seconds of flight to avoid major buildings and reduce loss of life
Yeah I bet that is why they rolled left at the last second, to try and avoid the car. The plane is stalled from the moment it appears in the video. look at its attitude compared with rod. They are not flying they are falling. My bet is the pilots became passengers shortly after the engine failed.

I have my doubts weather anything here deserves applauding other than the rescue efforts.
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Old 5th Feb 2015, 17:11
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check out the bus it hit!!
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Old 5th Feb 2015, 22:00
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To me it looks like they let their speed drop bellow VMCA.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 01:57
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Originally Posted by LS8C1:8853045
No doubt 'low hours spiky haired icadets' who should have flown 'GA in the bush' to 'cut their teeth'.

Because accidents never occurred when airlines only employed experienced pilots. They've only started happening now that we've begun the 'race to the bottom'

Insert further egotistical comment as required.

RIP
The Captain was ex-air force, not a low hour ex-cadet. If you want to avoid this from happening again then airliners should stop hiring these air farce guys who keep thinking they are the best there is. You don't even have to look far for the next potential cause of disaster, these low hours guys who the RAF didn't want to keep in the first place, who know f-all yet act as if they are better pilots than guys with thousands of hours under their belt, only because they got their foot into a fast jet course which THEY DIDN'T FINISH!

Hats off to the crew who tried their best to save lives, RIP.

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Old 6th Feb 2015, 02:18
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The captain of the previous crash had 19000 hours.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 03:07
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So they say......

Indo Airforce F16 and he had that many?

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Old 6th Feb 2015, 04:07
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Also, they made a mayday call... Maybe should've been monitoring the aircraft instead?
Looks like below vmca to me as well.
High time pilots too, you can never think you are better than the other guy just because you have more flight time...

Condolences to the families.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 05:30
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Whilst I think many of the conclusions presented above are probably correct, before we jump to conclusions and blame the crew . Perhaps we should wait until the facts are in . there could well be other issues involved
No one has yet looked at maintenance , it is possible that the crew were handed a deck stacked against them

Unfortunately according to the preliminary reports , the right engine failed or developed problems shortly after take off and auto feathered , then for some inexplicable reason the crew shut down the good engine as well . It is reported that they were trying to relight the engine when they crashed but it never gained sufficient thrust to avert a disaster .There is no apparent reason yet for the second engine loss of thrust, shutdown and relight. Perhaps trying to recover thrust following an engine surge / stall
Contaminated fuel is a possibility .

The stall warning was heard on numerous occasions

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Old 6th Feb 2015, 05:54
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I know where you're coming from, and in these threads there's always a call not to speculate etc, but I think asking for a pilot not to speculate is like asking a cat not to lick its own ar5e.
The discussions are interesting oftentimes and you can learn something too.
Of course it's up to the investigators not to jump to conclusions.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 14:18
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Speculations are almost over. Seems they shut down the wrong engine.

Also, the one that failed had been reported as 'problematic' but the company refused to do anything about it.

Cannot? Cannot.

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Old 7th Feb 2015, 00:32
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I'm with sloppy and frogman, nothing controlled about the crash regardless of what took them to that point
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Old 7th Feb 2015, 00:40
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1,2...Left, Right....

On Feb 6th 2015 Taiwan's ASC reported that the investigation so far determined from flight data and cockpit voice recorders: the aircraft received takeoff clearance at 10:51L, in the initial climb the aircraft was handed off to departure at 10:52:33L. At 10:52:38L at about 1200 feet MSL, 37 seconds after becoming airborne, a master warning activated related to the failure of the right hand engine, at 10:52:43L the left hand engine was throttled back and at 10:53:00L the crew began to discuss engine #1 had stalled. At 10:53:06L the right hand engine (engine #2) auto-feathered. At 10:53:12L a first stall warning occured and ceased at 10:53:18L. At 10:53:19L the crew discussed that engine #1 had already feathered, the fuel supply had already been cut to the engine and decided to attempt a restart of engine #1. Two seconds later another stall warning activated. At 10:53:34L the crew radioed "Mayday! Mayday! Engine flame out!", multiple attempts to restart the engines followed to no avail. At 10:54:34L a second master warning activated, 0.4 seconds later both recorders stopped recording.

Later the day Feb 6th 2015 the ASC also released an English version of the initial release detailing further that when the first master warning activated associated with the right hand engine the crew "called it out", then the left hand engine thrust lever was progressively retarded to flight idle. At 10:53:24L the condition lever was set to fuel shut off position resulting in the shut down of the left hand engine. Following several call outs to restart the left hand engine the parameters suggest the left hand engine was restarted at 10:54:20L, however, at 10:54:34L another master warning sounded, the CVR recorded unidentified sounds and both recorders stopped.

This isn't the first time sadly this has been done...wonder if the "co-pilot", who was a Captain who came in off leave to fill the seat had any issues with being in the Right seat instead of the Left?
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Old 7th Feb 2015, 06:19
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Firstly - RIP - I do believe in the quote that the assumption should be 'Everyone is doing their best'. Time will tell why that led to this.

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Old 7th Feb 2015, 13:59
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Indo Airforce F16 and he had that many?
Previous Transasia prang i think he meant. Air Asia Captain had about 6000 hours if I remember.
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