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Observed only from the back seat.
Missingblade, I have no idea whom you are and really do not care. Your question regarding the relationship of "real aircraft flying" experience by the crews where gross mishandling has been a contributing factor in accidents is valid. That I readily admit. What I do not accept is your inference that airline flying is not real flying and that airline pilots are just button pushers.
Certainly, I am a retired Flight Engineer and I would guess that I have observed just as many, if not more, pilots plying their trade than have you. I know that since we no longer form part of the operating crew many aspects of the operation have changed. From the tone of your comment I am confident that you and I would likely have not enjoyed the experience of crewing together. As for your experience, thank you. It does not determine whether or not I think your comments are making sense but it does indicate that you are qualified to express an opinion on the subject.
You may have failed to notice that I am also a PPL. I have been a regular competition flyer and in fact have won an Australian event. Thankfully, I was inspired to become a pilot by "observing from the back seat" many skilled and well trained pilots. If training is not as complete as it was in the past that is of concern.
Arfur, thank you for you comment. I would hope that the airmanship and skills have not been eroded as severely as some believe.
Certainly, I am a retired Flight Engineer and I would guess that I have observed just as many, if not more, pilots plying their trade than have you. I know that since we no longer form part of the operating crew many aspects of the operation have changed. From the tone of your comment I am confident that you and I would likely have not enjoyed the experience of crewing together. As for your experience, thank you. It does not determine whether or not I think your comments are making sense but it does indicate that you are qualified to express an opinion on the subject.
You may have failed to notice that I am also a PPL. I have been a regular competition flyer and in fact have won an Australian event. Thankfully, I was inspired to become a pilot by "observing from the back seat" many skilled and well trained pilots. If training is not as complete as it was in the past that is of concern.
Arfur, thank you for you comment. I would hope that the airmanship and skills have not been eroded as severely as some believe.
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With regard to your last statement, your hopes are sadly misplaced.
The last 10 young colleagues I have asked to define a stall for me have been singularly unable to do so to my satisfaction...although they seemed perfectly confident in their responses. I always refer them to Rich Stowell's text.
I do hold grave fears for the day that this airline loses it's ability to attract pilots that have real flying experience.
As to the current topic....it's been done before and it will be done again. It will be interesting to find out what kind of failure the #2 engine had and what indications were presented. I for one would not accuse someone of mistakenly shutting down the wrong engine without proper evidence.It is such a self preservation choice that it is not made lightly.
With regard to your last statement, your hopes are sadly misplaced.
The last 10 young colleagues I have asked to define a stall for me have been singularly unable to do so to my satisfaction...although they seemed perfectly confident in their responses. I always refer them to Rich Stowell's text.
I do hold grave fears for the day that this airline loses it's ability to attract pilots that have real flying experience.
As to the current topic....it's been done before and it will be done again. It will be interesting to find out what kind of failure the #2 engine had and what indications were presented. I for one would not accuse someone of mistakenly shutting down the wrong engine without proper evidence.It is such a self preservation choice that it is not made lightly.
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See for your self Billy, and they even change the size of the power lever to emphasize it... A very high probability of it being a contributing factor.
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When the airplane is not imminently going to run into something bad, or the airplane itself not on fire one of the most valuable skills to employ is that of taking the time to wind the clock.
