DFO is Deluded
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DFO is Deluded
"There is great awareness that the last pay deal for the flight crew community expired in May 2013. It is certainly not our desire to still be in pay discussions in November 2014"
This is the same man that unilaterally decided after an internal review that the pilots did not need a salary adjustment which led to the chain of events to where we find ourselves today!
I wonder if he writes these missives himself or some other "spin doctor" does and he merely puts his name to it? Either way it's nauseating to read!
This is the same man that unilaterally decided after an internal review that the pilots did not need a salary adjustment which led to the chain of events to where we find ourselves today!
I wonder if he writes these missives himself or some other "spin doctor" does and he merely puts his name to it? Either way it's nauseating to read!
Hard to imagine that a DFO could be worse and more despised than the likes of Clemmow and Barley but the present incumbent has actually managed that. Only thing that he has Managed, mind you, except repeatedly defending the indefensible and 'spinning' truly woeful Leadership of a potentially valuable group of essential employees (ie The Aircrew). Even harder to accept that he was quite a good man years ago but has let his ambition lead the way and has lost any sense of integrity or honour. In war time, he'd be in the dock for treason!
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Totally agree! This guys skin must be so thick, or he is inept in the art of perception and or simply pathological. What ever, the result is all the same.
After reading his letter I actually felt embarrassed for him. ( If you are trying to ostracise the Pilot community from the rest of the company at least send the letter out to every one - or would that be classified as harassment ?) What a transparent and desperate attempt to save his own arse. Well at least he acknowledges that we are expected to work beyond our contract to keep the wheels from coming off!
What has this guy actually achieved on his watch that you could say has been of benefit to the company? Anyone? Anyone?, Anyone Anyone?......
Well its not my train set!
After reading his letter I actually felt embarrassed for him. ( If you are trying to ostracise the Pilot community from the rest of the company at least send the letter out to every one - or would that be classified as harassment ?) What a transparent and desperate attempt to save his own arse. Well at least he acknowledges that we are expected to work beyond our contract to keep the wheels from coming off!
What has this guy actually achieved on his watch that you could say has been of benefit to the company? Anyone? Anyone?, Anyone Anyone?......
Well its not my train set!
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EFB?....WTFIT?..it petered out half way across the big bit to LAX then that's been it..great investment by a shower of lunatics that Swire really ought to put down..if my dog gave me as much crap as this mob..he'd be on the table in Guangshou by now..
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Gents what you must appreciate is that these updates are written for the Swire directors - to show them what a thinking and engaging management team we have.
They know full well we will just laugh harder at every update and the complete nonsense it spews - its not meant for us.
Its meant to indirectly update the upper management on what a great job the pilot managers have done being reasonable and communicative to their pilots....
They know full well we will just laugh harder at every update and the complete nonsense it spews - its not meant for us.
Its meant to indirectly update the upper management on what a great job the pilot managers have done being reasonable and communicative to their pilots....
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You're exactly right.
This is ass covering, and the Dfo is getting very concerned by the tone of it.
Management must be quite worried I think.
Interesting days ahead.
This is ass covering, and the Dfo is getting very concerned by the tone of it.
Management must be quite worried I think.
Interesting days ahead.
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“It’s time to complete the process and move on to dealing with the other issues that need to be addressed.”
Yippee! So, we can move on to getting shafted on RPs and housing and, …. and, … I can’t wait! Actually, … I can wait.
Yippee! So, we can move on to getting shafted on RPs and housing and, …. and, … I can’t wait! Actually, … I can wait.
The brief is:- 'Keep that rabble of bus drivers (ie The Aircrew) quiet and pay as little as you can. Whatever you save will be shared amongst you as a bonus. It's your responsibility.'
So, CC is going to severely damage our gallant leaders' standing with the 'proper (ie The Businessmen) Managers'. Just do it and watch the panic set in. Then we'll see what they're made of (ie Not Much).
Remeber the Indian Mutiny of 1857, I think it was. The arrogant Brits pissed off the local soldiers once too often. Getting close to that now I'd say.
Play your card - lots of us are CC anyway - just need a lot more.
It's a strong card and they will not like appearing to have made (another) misjudgement.
So, CC is going to severely damage our gallant leaders' standing with the 'proper (ie The Businessmen) Managers'. Just do it and watch the panic set in. Then we'll see what they're made of (ie Not Much).
Remeber the Indian Mutiny of 1857, I think it was. The arrogant Brits pissed off the local soldiers once too often. Getting close to that now I'd say.
Play your card - lots of us are CC anyway - just need a lot more.
It's a strong card and they will not like appearing to have made (another) misjudgement.
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But the company expects us to maintain our goodwill, to provide them with material benefit, and then tries guilt, patriotism, threats and emotion to try and maintain that goodwill when circumstances push us towards taking it away
FOP management spin these lies continuously and use the term 'professional' as the 'final line in the sand'. There seems similarities between the DFO's last letter and GMF's letter - one minute we're trusted with a three hundred million USD machine with hundreds of lives yet we are spoken to as a father speaking to a child or headmaster speaking at a school assembly.
What I find more annoying are the lies told to the HK media later, if things don't go the way management want - nonsense such as we hold our customers at ransom by disrupting the flights. I may be wrong, but I don't recall reading such lies when our cabin crew had their issues.
We follow our contract just as crew control, FCRM or anyone on the third floor will tell you, "It's in your contract", should you ask for something outside the agreement.
Goodwill is a 'two way street', just as respect is also. They want us to help, then they can help us when we are in need - pay raise, bases, overseas taxation issues, stable roster, medical, staff travel benefits, housing etc.
Clearly [historically] our management have dragged things out yet claim that they've presented the AOA GC offers on the condition that they (AOA) will strongly recommend it to its membership and in turn propose voting for it in an affirmative manner. The end result (in the world of management) is that the proposal is actioned and any further complaints later on is silenced by, "You agreed upon it and voted FOR it". Again - trusted with a multi million piece of machinery, yet advise us how to vote rather than read what is being proposed and decide on your own accord. What sort of archaic manner is this?
I'm glad that the GC can see through their nonsense.
.....yep, interesting days ahead.
*stepping off soap box*
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Delusional ain't quite right--unwilling to face reality and throwing out divisive propaganda maybe better. It's amazing the words that have been thrown forth which have worstened the situation and managed to tick off folks that were previously happy. Often taking the opportunity NOT to speak (or to speak small amounts of cohesive and well thought out encouragement toward finding solutions) is the right thing to do. Seems they haven't quite figured this out.
Those following the deal know that saying the 'offer' was 'recommended' is an absolute farce. It was recommended only because it was forced to be in order to be considered and voted upon at all. This by definition made any form of objective analysis impossible. The membership did the absolute right thing by rejecting an offer which, given its preconditions and deceptive/divisive nature, never should have been sent forward at all.
In this case, the pilot group is the one wanting to preserve the quality, branding, and safety record of the airline they love and prevent a group of self-serving folks from chiseling it away. Skilled labour costs money and is an investment just like fuel and airplanes--and is also subject to inflation adjustments. I wonder how the general public would feel about trying to have a bunch of fatigued rank beginners working long hours, multiple jobs, and living in a noisy crackerbox to make ends meet noodling around at the controls of the machine their lives depend on. Propaganda works in many directions and maybe it would be a good time to get out in front of what's really going on.
Those following the deal know that saying the 'offer' was 'recommended' is an absolute farce. It was recommended only because it was forced to be in order to be considered and voted upon at all. This by definition made any form of objective analysis impossible. The membership did the absolute right thing by rejecting an offer which, given its preconditions and deceptive/divisive nature, never should have been sent forward at all.
In this case, the pilot group is the one wanting to preserve the quality, branding, and safety record of the airline they love and prevent a group of self-serving folks from chiseling it away. Skilled labour costs money and is an investment just like fuel and airplanes--and is also subject to inflation adjustments. I wonder how the general public would feel about trying to have a bunch of fatigued rank beginners working long hours, multiple jobs, and living in a noisy crackerbox to make ends meet noodling around at the controls of the machine their lives depend on. Propaganda works in many directions and maybe it would be a good time to get out in front of what's really going on.
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"So it is doubly disheartening that we
have an employee group that is actively
considering practices that will damage all that is
valued by colleagues and customers alike".
That one statement by the DFO has GUARANTEED that I will press home CC with all my dedication and discipline. Thank you RH for convincing me that our cause is necessary and just.
have an employee group that is actively
considering practices that will damage all that is
valued by colleagues and customers alike".
That one statement by the DFO has GUARANTEED that I will press home CC with all my dedication and discipline. Thank you RH for convincing me that our cause is necessary and just.
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How is adhering to one's contract a practice that will damage all that is valued by colleagues and customers alike?
The only reasonable conclusion to me is that the contract must be flawed, or ____________ (people, fill in the blank)
The only reasonable conclusion to me is that the contract must be flawed, or ____________ (people, fill in the blank)
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Quite right - some of those managers are holding this airline randsome with their Penny wise and Pound foolish ways. Let alone their arrogant, incompetent & condescending leardership styles.
We should think of ways to self manage ourselves & bring out our professionalism better than they would. Ie Rendering there methods even more futile. They way some of them leapfrog via stepping over each other to get into higher positions are origins of darker matter.
Good luck Crew - These few months will become what defines us.
Professional Pride!
We should think of ways to self manage ourselves & bring out our professionalism better than they would. Ie Rendering there methods even more futile. They way some of them leapfrog via stepping over each other to get into higher positions are origins of darker matter.
Good luck Crew - These few months will become what defines us.
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Shep said:
Couldn't agree more, in fact I have been saying the very same thing (obviously unsuccessfully) for 20 years.
We (AOA) should be taking our fight public with well thought out and written press releases. Everyone else in the world fights their fights in public, yet we bicker amongst ourselves on Pprune.
Hire a PR company!
Propaganda works in many directions and maybe it would be a good time to get out in front of what's really going on.
We (AOA) should be taking our fight public with well thought out and written press releases. Everyone else in the world fights their fights in public, yet we bicker amongst ourselves on Pprune.
Hire a PR company!
I disagree, we'll never win a PR war against the corporate media. We should never give up the opportunity to just say 'nothing'.
A strategy,among many, lost on our erstwhile dfo.
A strategy,among many, lost on our erstwhile dfo.
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What was all that crap about there being a finite amount of money set aside for us, and that the amount was non-negotiable??? Yeah, whatever, Dicky!
It seems the entire bargaining process has gone straight over his head, poor old Chap.