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RA and S/O did nothing?

Old 23rd Oct 2014, 08:34
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RA and S/O did nothing?

I have heard from multiple people that recently in the cruise while the Captain or RQ was in the bathroom there was a RA and the S/O completely froze and did nothing.

Has this actually happened, and if so, if this is not a wake up call then what is?
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 08:54
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wake up call on what?
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 09:13
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 09:24
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True....but with a caveat.....what if the low time no experience and under trained s/o reefed on the stick at altitude? Another hull loss.....the outcome wasnt good that he did nothing but it probably was the best outcome considering how low the training is racing to the bottom across the whole industry and not just this particular airline.....
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 09:45
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True....but with a caveat.....what if the low time no experience and under trained s/o reefed on the stick at altitude? Another hull loss.....the outcome wasnt good that he did nothing but it probably was the best outcome considering how low the training is racing to the bottom across the whole industry and not just this particular airline.....
That doing nothing probably resulted in the best outcome in this situation... That we've come to this is so f*cked up I don't even know where to begin...
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 13:54
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The guy didn't know what to do and claimed "he wasn't taught it in the sim". That's what I heard anyway.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 14:19
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...... and this this be the reason that aircraft manufacturers are trying to go down the AutoRA route!
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 14:53
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I have yet to see a light sport aircraft of Daimond Katana with TCAS.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 15:33
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That doing nothing probably resulted in the best outcome in this situation... That we've come to this is so f*cked up I don't even know where to begin...
Absolutely agree. What ever happened to basic survival instinct. Surely disconnecting an autopilot is nowhere near as scary as smashing into another aircraft. I'm going to have to buy a pissbag and never leave the S/O's alone.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 15:55
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The guy didn't know what to do and claimed "he wasn't taught it in the sim". That's what I heard anyway.
Not defending the kid but is the TCAS maneuver actually part of the new "cut to the bone" 6 sim session syllabus?

Date/flight number?
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 16:01
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Hmmm.....

As long as his/her Facebook status is updated perfunctorily then what's the issue??
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 19:22
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So this was on the Airbus fleet?
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 21:00
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Part if the upgrade syllabus??

It's part of the S/O syllabus! Forgetting the Autothrottle or Flt Directors is one thing, but not responding to the manoeuver command is way past excusable. If you can't handle a TCAS R/A in cruise, you shouldn't hold a licence - an S/O, F/O or CN.
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 00:00
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I wonder if the S/O in question even knew what the TCAS R/A meant...
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 00:34
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The loose cannon in question is called...the accounting department.

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Old 24th Oct 2014, 00:57
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How many of you have been shown what happens when a heavy, swept wing aircraft enters the stall (not incipient - full stall) at a high weight and altitude?

How many of you can accurately describe the characteristics of this stall, the AOA it occurs at, and approximately how many thousands of feet the recovery takes?
Answer? ALL the S/O's on the 777 doing an "M3" or "M6" do exactly what you've described. Repeated, if necessary, to the satisfaction of the STC.

Do you even work for CX? I suspect if you did, you would know the sequence of the M3/6 and what is tested - and taught - to every candidate.

Alarmist proselytizing serves no one but the (news)papers.
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 02:01
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Blow up Auto pilot

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Old 24th Oct 2014, 02:05
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I've asked every S/O with whom I've flown if he or she has seen "Airplane!"

The answer?

NO!

Surprise?

NO!
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 02:26
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The big question is : what did the S/O in the other plane do?
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 02:27
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That CX didn't terminate the individual involved is tacit admittance of a systemic failure.

It's starting to verge on negligence what's going on with recruitment/training. Is this why CX has completely stopped recruiting locals? (apart from those already on a cadet course). According to the third floor drunks, all new hires in 2015 are to be xpats.

I wonder what CAD made of that MOR ASR?
Or does the negligence extend beyond the training department?
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