42 Days
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42 Days
42 Days takes us to December 18th, 2014, exactly one week before Christmas. As the effects of CC will be cumulative, I sincerely wonder as to the recommendation of the motion by the GC to be able to delay it this long.
As Rod pointed out, there will be progress when "forward bookings" are impacted, and this will NOT happen 1 week before Christmas. Now is the time for that to happen.
I would expect a serious and easily understood explanation from the GC as to why there is the latitude for them to delay the implementation of CC up to 42 days after the closing of the vote, which is open for nearly 2 weeks. That in itself is ridiculous. It should be open for 1 week only.
It looks like our own are dragging their feet on this one. Come on guys, how about an explanation!
As Rod pointed out, there will be progress when "forward bookings" are impacted, and this will NOT happen 1 week before Christmas. Now is the time for that to happen.
I would expect a serious and easily understood explanation from the GC as to why there is the latitude for them to delay the implementation of CC up to 42 days after the closing of the vote, which is open for nearly 2 weeks. That in itself is ridiculous. It should be open for 1 week only.
It looks like our own are dragging their feet on this one. Come on guys, how about an explanation!
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It's the elephant in the room that no one is talking about, that nothing has been explained from the GC in regards to this delay.
If it looks like fish, and smell like fish, it's probably fish.
If it looks like fish, and smell like fish, it's probably fish.
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I see a lot of posts regarding this subject in this forum, but have absolutely no idea what it is about... would anyone care to explain? What vote is happening exactly?
Thanks!
Thanks!
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The CC vote (which will now likely be very high in favor of) has to be implemented WITHIN 42 days--not wait 42 days. So the strategy would likely go into effect 7 November with the actione of the work to contract/work to rule being implemented at the discretion of the union leadership within this time constraint. The strategy is clear and well written out and I'm sure we'll have more guidance as things move forward.
The good thing is the CC terms--as I understand it--will not be optional for union members.
The good thing is the CC terms--as I understand it--will not be optional for union members.
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bridgeport. management mole much....? pathetic. All posts like yours accomplish is to convince even more of us that the ONLY way forward is to stand up once and for all for what is right and what we deserve. And we 'deserve' ONLY what we are willing to fight for. I'm willing to fight. You would rather live on your knees. Enjoy
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No, I'm the Wolf of Wan Chai
Just because I point out some obvious possibilities, doesn't mean I'm a management mole. I'm not.
I, like many others, are just sitting in the middle. Not militant unionists, and not management stooges.
Just sitting in the middle,..minds unclouded by radical unionism, or CX kool-aid propaganda. Just watching the AOA constantly ignore the wishes of its membership, and watching the management try to nickel and dime their way to big bonuses.
Just because I point out some obvious possibilities, doesn't mean I'm a management mole. I'm not.
I, like many others, are just sitting in the middle. Not militant unionists, and not management stooges.
Just sitting in the middle,..minds unclouded by radical unionism, or CX kool-aid propaganda. Just watching the AOA constantly ignore the wishes of its membership, and watching the management try to nickel and dime their way to big bonuses.
but stand by for the "you either with us or against us" speech
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From: Krug departure, Merlot transition
but stand by for the "you either with us or against us" speech
Management are most definitely not on our side and are not "sitting in the middle" either, so if you don't sit on the pilot side of the table, essentially you're sitting on theirs. You may not like it, but looking at it coldly, that's the way it is.
Also, albeit painfully slowly, it does seems the union is finally listen to its members.
Democracy is a slow and painful process boys and girls!
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Dog, the geography of where the pilots is hugely different. It is a variable feast. Some are nearing their career end and others mid stream whilst some are starting..it's a spectrum of desires, benefits and wants. Some wanted a pay deal..irrespective of sense. Others CC..some just wanted a fight ...forgetting the history of the 49 and the polemic of 92. Some haven't had a pay rise since 96 and the very thought of recovering at least a mere nano percentage of what should have been, is worth it..if not just to continue to fight of a better front foot. YOU are not the generic...
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For the self - proclaimed sitting in the middle 'Wolf of Wan Chai':
"But the man in the middle is the knave who blanks out the truth in order to pretend that no choice or values exist, who is willing to sit out the course of any battle, willing to cash in on the blood of the innocent or to crawl on his belly to the guilty, who dispenses justice by condemning both the robber and the robbed to jail, who solves conflicts by ordering the thinker and the fool to meet each other halfway."
--Ayn Rand
"But the man in the middle is the knave who blanks out the truth in order to pretend that no choice or values exist, who is willing to sit out the course of any battle, willing to cash in on the blood of the innocent or to crawl on his belly to the guilty, who dispenses justice by condemning both the robber and the robbed to jail, who solves conflicts by ordering the thinker and the fool to meet each other halfway."
--Ayn Rand
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Dog, the geography of where the pilots is hugely different.
Pay is the is one element that should unite us all! United we stand. Divided we get pecked to death. I'm a fairly "sitting in the middle" kind of guy too, but I'm also pretty tired of getting pecked at.
Just my two cents (continually eroded by inflation)