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Old 15th Oct 2014, 04:36
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NO MORE A DAYS

Check your company email...
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 04:41
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Great follow on to the Boeing Chief Pilot's email about how they want to improve USA Based Freighter Rosters.

Rumour has it several yanks are leaving and several more with interviews.

This A Day debacle will not help the situation
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 05:13
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So where's that contract compliance vote?
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 05:41
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The timing was a little unhelpful ...
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 06:17
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Curtain Rod. Just wait. I'm sure it's on the way. It's all coming together. Their fcuk ups, our patience.
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 07:14
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Just a quick question....what are we going to do if Contract compliance does not bring them to their knees?

What then?
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 07:43
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Just a quick question....what are we going to do if Contract compliance does not bring them to their knees?

What then?
ummmmm

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Old 15th Oct 2014, 07:52
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A days are more important to the company than they let on. A lot more flights will be be cancelled due to lack of crew and lack of reserve coverage.
Not a good move IMO not that my opinion counts for anything.
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 08:25
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My sentiments too. Less window to 'get you' for a duty. I was thinking of changing from A's to R's anyhow. The vast majority of my A Day callouts over the years have been notified the day before at 'log in'.

Bring it on.
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 12:10
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The A days actually benefit the company more than us to some extent (they're free and don't start the FTL clock ticking).

But I'm sure this will have the net effect of pushing the 'fence sitters' off the fence. If one has to pull reserve one might as well do so at a company with a sane non-revenue commuter policy as well as the ability to ride in the front of the jet.

It will also have the net effect of ailenating those who previously always did suit up and show up.

This place is the only place I know who bluffs with a set of deuces.
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 13:27
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I was just another slightly jaded CX driver. Now I am so p!ssed off with the whole thing I'm looking elsewhere. Yes it's still on the whole not a bad job once the gears up but this death by a thousand pecks wares you down eventually. Oh and to the union I started my contract compliance on receipt of the GMAs letter..
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 14:17
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As an outsider, is it allowed to ask what A days are? Just so it is easier to follow the conversation.
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 15:04
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Hey Idonkonw -

You are kidding !!
It took this to get yourself in contract compliance???????

Wake up -

It has being going down well before then.

Remember ----- it's a team effort
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 15:54
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SOPS, "A" days are basically long-call reserve but with no rules governing them. They are not considered duty but, the day before an "A" day is rostered the pilot must contact the company between noon and 2pm to check if there is a duty for him or her. If so, he or she has a minimum of 10 hours to report. If not, he or she must be immediately contactable on an "A" day between 0600 and 1400 and be able to report for duty within 10 hours of being notified.

Now, that "long-call reserve" is gone. All there is now is short-call, which is a duty and is covered by many rules as well as requiring being able to report for duty within 2 hours and 15 minutes of notification.

Reserve can start and end at any time of the day. Pilots accrue no pay for reserve unless they are rostered for more than 30 days of it per year.

Unlike normal airlines, where generally only the junior pilots do reserve and only reserve, at Cathay everyone does reserve, mixed in with regular flying.
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 16:10
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Freighter Reserve Coverage?

So, checking the roster for 747 freighter captains in November there are in

ATL 5 R days out of 4 CN (5/120 man-days)
ORD 6 R days out of 3 CN (6/90 man-days)
JFK 4 R days out of 3 CN (4/90 man-days)
LAX 0 R days out of 4 CN (0/120 man-days)

Total 15 R days total for 14 captains
15 R days out of 420 man-days

I guess they're counting on G day workers.
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 17:14
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Thanks for that CA
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Contract compliance - yeah right

Wonder how a certain a MEL based Kiwi captain will get around this one...more deals with crew control?

Unfortunately for commuters this will lead into more pilots constantly calling crew control to get a trip allocated in advance rather than spending days and days in a hotel at their base port.

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Old 15th Oct 2014, 19:32
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Preferred ports

Guess they'll (CX) lose the advantage of having an "A" day guy with a preferred port cover both bases.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 00:47
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NO MORE A DAYS

It is always a risk on a base if you choose to live greater than 02:15hrs away from the report location. Just as it is if you choose to commute to/fro HKG. The A day is simply a non binding agreement to ameliorate the risk.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 02:38
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By being on a base CX accepts less pilot flexibility in exchange for no housing allowance and no 13th month. If they want to have the based pilots available like the HKG pilots it's only fair they give everyone the same benefits.
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