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Old 29th July 2014 | 08:02
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Dear GMA

Please continue on your present course because;

A/ We are making huge amounts of $$$ overtime and..

B/ We are having too much fun watching the wheels come off.

Have a great weekend.

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Old 29th July 2014 | 12:48
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Another manager post...... With proper pay reviews I'd be making what I'm making in overtime, without being in overtime. Also, I would not be sick so much, because I would be working less (less cumulative fatigue and picking up germs from the multitudes).
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Old 30th July 2014 | 00:45
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To make what my fellow crewmembers and I make in overtime, we would need a 20-70% payrise depending on who you fly with.
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Old 30th July 2014 | 01:08
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And you can reduce your remaining lifespan by 20-70% if you keep working that hard.
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Old 30th July 2014 | 10:10
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cruise control have been told not to bother trying to re-schedule to save overtime up to 102 hours per crew member, as this is what they need to "keep the wheels from falling off"

They need to recruit and train 500 Pilots a year to keep pace..................

US based F/O's are thinning out rapidly

United - 55 applications from CX

Delta - 53 applications from CX


Sure pays to get the whole pilot force "off side"..................gotta admire the management style......................
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Old 30th July 2014 | 10:37
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Size

Is that true about hours and US apps?

If so, well that is VV interesting...

Verified, or was this from a mate who knows someone who overheard?
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Old 30th July 2014 | 13:32
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Forget the rumours, look at the facts as published by CX.

Despite all the smiley photos of CPA xyz leaving ADL to commence conversion training, there are less numbers on the seniority list than 12 months ago.

Interesting indeed.
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Old 30th July 2014 | 14:11
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FEWER numbers on the seniority list.

Sorry, couldn't resist
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Old 30th July 2014 | 15:39
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Sweet, I'll be Sen No. 1 in no time!
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Old 30th July 2014 | 16:25
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I've just compared the Jul 13 and the Jul 14 seniority list and we now have 50 more on the list ...... you are talking bollocks
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Old 30th July 2014 | 17:06
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... is 50 more than last year enough to crew the airline? What is the fleet size and flying task relative to last year? I seriously think the shortage is becoming critical if it's not already. There are indeed many apps going out to other carriers, including many captains. Don't forget all the furloughees from American/TWA who will get their last chance to rejoin the seniority list in the near future. Many of those guys can go back as narrow body captains based in the good ol' US of A. How many actually leave is anyone's guess? I know I'm looking at it. Lack of basings and taxation give Americans very little incentive to stay.
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Old 30th July 2014 | 23:13
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50 more than last year is surely more SO's. Just what we need (and I am not having a dig at the SO's).
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Old 31st July 2014 | 02:22
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Sounds like 3 man LRO to Europe will solve the problem then!
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Old 31st July 2014 | 02:59
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Well if even half of those on US furlows leave , with 3 new Chicago flights weekly And a whole bunch of new 350's arriving I think we could be just a little short of two essentials crew and goodwill
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Old 31st July 2014 | 03:06
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A properly crewed airline doesn't need goodwill, but CX will never pay for reserves in the quantities required for that.

Rod, we have already seen from the MCIM that CX does not see the 34 hours as a requirement for three man ops. I think CH has shown his cards a bit early in this case. Make no mistake, fatigue is a cocktail party punch line for this lot.
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Old 31st July 2014 | 03:08
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Btw.. I bet more than half those A350s are aircraft replacements, not growth.
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Old 31st July 2014 | 19:29
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Just heard another experienced US based FO has resigned ( hired by AA).
Question: is it management intentions to crew Flights in 2015/16 with JFO?
Is the company deliberately allowing experienced pilots ( who are entitled to HA) to go just in the hope to upgrade all the cadets in 2-3 years time?
No offense but disastrous results will follow....
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Old 31st July 2014 | 22:06
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Managements intent is to have the cheapest possible crew upfront.

Irrespective of safety.

Only $$$ count.

If they lose a hull, they won't be concerned beyond how it impacts their insurance and bottom line.

This company has reached into the depths of depravity, grabbed a firm hold of the noxious weeds and muscled down to new lows of hopelessness.

In a term we drivers well know, it is past the PNR.
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Old 31st July 2014 | 23:27
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Monster,
Thanks for the explicit and clear clarification. Agree 100%.
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Old 1st August 2014 | 02:29
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Just heard another experienced US based FO has resigned ( hired by AA).
If you heard that it was TW who has resigned and hired by AA, it's not true. AA hasn't hired off the street yet. I suppose you also heard that he was given his choice of aircraft and base. Yeah, right.
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