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The notion of a global strike is as meaningless as hashtag politics.
You want sensitivity...hug a tree
You want to go on a global strike...do it for the right reason, global degradation of pilots contracts and conditions worldwide.
This was an accidental shoot-down, pure and simple. Happens in conflict areas. You want to point the finger, point it at those who should be scrutinised, Malaysian Airlines, ICAO, and Putin.
Putin hasn't listened to anybody...and you motards think he will listen to pilots having a strike. Seriously?
You want sensitivity...hug a tree
You want to go on a global strike...do it for the right reason, global degradation of pilots contracts and conditions worldwide.
This was an accidental shoot-down, pure and simple. Happens in conflict areas. You want to point the finger, point it at those who should be scrutinised, Malaysian Airlines, ICAO, and Putin.
Putin hasn't listened to anybody...and you motards think he will listen to pilots having a strike. Seriously?
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The crash of MH17 is a horrible thing, and desire to blame someone is understandable. Russia and Putin are an easy target, why, the media has named the guilty party for us before any kind of investigation has begun! Take a step back though, and you will see a different picture.
Eastern Ukraine is a WAR ZONE, and has been for months. Samantha Power at the UN has just dazzled all with her knowledge of military flying machines downed over that area in the weeks leading up to this tragedy. The new Ukrainian government certainly knew about the danger to aircraft - they were losing them hand over fist! EASA and Euro Control must have known a thing or two about the situation - I mean they can get really political when they choose to, and close the Airspace over Crimea to all traffic on April 2nd even though no fighting ever took place there!
So yes, if you want to point the finger, point it at these who should be scrutinised:
1. The Government of Ukraine (kept on a short leash by our star spangled bannered friends, mind you!)
2. UN and its ICAO
3. EASA and Euro Control
4. Malaysian Airlines
The first three were responsible for CLOSING THE AIRSPACE over a war zone. They have failed to do so, and that is a crime!
Malaysian Airline should have known better after the MH370, but it was tough for them - everyone else was flying there too! Unbelievable!!! CX has just put out a little release saying we have not flown through there "for some months", but they didn't say why - a brilliant foresight or just dumb luck?..
Eastern Ukraine is a WAR ZONE, and has been for months. Samantha Power at the UN has just dazzled all with her knowledge of military flying machines downed over that area in the weeks leading up to this tragedy. The new Ukrainian government certainly knew about the danger to aircraft - they were losing them hand over fist! EASA and Euro Control must have known a thing or two about the situation - I mean they can get really political when they choose to, and close the Airspace over Crimea to all traffic on April 2nd even though no fighting ever took place there!
So yes, if you want to point the finger, point it at these who should be scrutinised:
1. The Government of Ukraine (kept on a short leash by our star spangled bannered friends, mind you!)
2. UN and its ICAO
3. EASA and Euro Control
4. Malaysian Airlines
The first three were responsible for CLOSING THE AIRSPACE over a war zone. They have failed to do so, and that is a crime!
Malaysian Airline should have known better after the MH370, but it was tough for them - everyone else was flying there too! Unbelievable!!! CX has just put out a little release saying we have not flown through there "for some months", but they didn't say why - a brilliant foresight or just dumb luck?..
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T101....exactly!
A330....I respect your right to air your opinion and would fight to the death to preserve that right but...see T101's post, if you care to.
Further to the post by T101: I see this tragedy as completely and entirely unacceptable. I want to send a message to all culpable stakeholders in this despicable act. That message is:-
No more, we've had enough! Aircraft will NOT move on the 8th. We, and our passengers will no longer be sacrificed for military, political, economic or oversight expedience. It is unacceptable to shoot down an unarmed civilian airliner, period.
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A330....I respect your right to air your opinion and would fight to the death to preserve that right but...see T101's post, if you care to.
Further to the post by T101: I see this tragedy as completely and entirely unacceptable. I want to send a message to all culpable stakeholders in this despicable act. That message is:-
No more, we've had enough! Aircraft will NOT move on the 8th. We, and our passengers will no longer be sacrificed for military, political, economic or oversight expedience. It is unacceptable to shoot down an unarmed civilian airliner, period.
Care to join me?
Bang
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By Jim McAuslan, BALPA General Secretary
The only people to blame for the cold-blooded murder of the passengers, pilots and rest of the crew of flight MH17 as it flew over Ukraine are those responsible for firing the missile that brought it down.
British pilots know that under the current piecemeal system for flying over conflict areas it could easily have been them in control of the flight targeted in this incident or future incidents, if this system is not changed.
While we mourn for the colleagues and passengers lost we demand that lessons are learned and changes made to protect passengers and pilots from ever becoming targets again.
This approach is how British pilots, represented by The British Airline Pilots' Association (BALPA), have helped make flying so safe - but our mission remains to make every single flight safe.
The current process behind the choice of airspace routing is based on a risk assessment; both by a country's national aviation security services in the advice that they give to their airlines, and by the airline in how they assess this advice.
This risk assessment approach can give an illusion of safety but it is in fact vulnerable to all sorts of influences including commercial pressure.
It is not surprising to us that there are differences in the way that this risk is assessed by different airlines.
The current approach has been proven, in the worst possible way, to be utterly flawed.
Passengers and pilots want an open and uniform level of safety, not one that is decided in secret and in different ways by airlines and countries.
Global leadership from the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) is urgently needed to respond to last week's tragic incident in the Ukraine and in all operations in or over areas of hostility.
ICAO's purpose should be to lead where national authorities cannot and it should have the tools to do that.
The problem of the absence of a clear international co-ordination to avoid operations above eastern Ukraine has now become tragically obvious and to avoid a repeat ICAO should be better resourced and enabled to declare airspace unsafe.
ICAO also needs to reflect on its own rules of membership.
Participating states enjoy privileges such as free movement, but with that comes responsibility.
If a state does not live up to that responsibility, such as sharing of information and allowing full and free access to accident investigation, then membership and privileges should be reconsidered.
This tragic incident could have been avoided and we must make sure that no more families, friends and colleagues lose their loved ones in this horrific way.
Pilots will continue to do everything we can to make every flight safe.
Aren't we fed up of 'lets throw a flight at this airspace and see if it comes out the other end' attitude to airline safety?
8/8...no airliners move, care to join me?
Bang
The only people to blame for the cold-blooded murder of the passengers, pilots and rest of the crew of flight MH17 as it flew over Ukraine are those responsible for firing the missile that brought it down.
British pilots know that under the current piecemeal system for flying over conflict areas it could easily have been them in control of the flight targeted in this incident or future incidents, if this system is not changed.
While we mourn for the colleagues and passengers lost we demand that lessons are learned and changes made to protect passengers and pilots from ever becoming targets again.
This approach is how British pilots, represented by The British Airline Pilots' Association (BALPA), have helped make flying so safe - but our mission remains to make every single flight safe.
The current process behind the choice of airspace routing is based on a risk assessment; both by a country's national aviation security services in the advice that they give to their airlines, and by the airline in how they assess this advice.
This risk assessment approach can give an illusion of safety but it is in fact vulnerable to all sorts of influences including commercial pressure.
It is not surprising to us that there are differences in the way that this risk is assessed by different airlines.
The current approach has been proven, in the worst possible way, to be utterly flawed.
Passengers and pilots want an open and uniform level of safety, not one that is decided in secret and in different ways by airlines and countries.
Global leadership from the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) is urgently needed to respond to last week's tragic incident in the Ukraine and in all operations in or over areas of hostility.
ICAO's purpose should be to lead where national authorities cannot and it should have the tools to do that.
The problem of the absence of a clear international co-ordination to avoid operations above eastern Ukraine has now become tragically obvious and to avoid a repeat ICAO should be better resourced and enabled to declare airspace unsafe.
ICAO also needs to reflect on its own rules of membership.
Participating states enjoy privileges such as free movement, but with that comes responsibility.
If a state does not live up to that responsibility, such as sharing of information and allowing full and free access to accident investigation, then membership and privileges should be reconsidered.
This tragic incident could have been avoided and we must make sure that no more families, friends and colleagues lose their loved ones in this horrific way.
Pilots will continue to do everything we can to make every flight safe.
Aren't we fed up of 'lets throw a flight at this airspace and see if it comes out the other end' attitude to airline safety?
8/8...no airliners move, care to join me?
Bang
