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Flying with One or Two hands

Old 2nd Jun 2014, 11:09
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This is the dumbest post ever on this forum..... if you can't fly one handed get the f#@k out of aviation.

Unbelievable!
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Old 2nd Jun 2014, 11:24
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Cool Captain Ricky Bobby - is that you??



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Old 2nd Jun 2014, 11:56
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Hilarious! (though think he could only fly Airbus')

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Old 2nd Jun 2014, 22:30
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As usual Rod, well put! It's amazing how skewed our perspective becomes flying with this outfit.
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Old 2nd Jun 2014, 23:46
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WOW....I thought this was a running joke but I guess not. Maybe it's the same folks who get so upset over the wrong person drinking from the Red Cup (thought that was in fun too till I found it wasn't...now the wife and I have a bit of a laugh over it).

Come to think of it the yoke and throttles ARE missing a lot of buttons that do all kinds of things that many FOs used to fly and blow things up with.

Maybe this individual can be publicly shamed like the "12 Dunk" teabag guy.
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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 00:14
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This one/two hands on the wheel discussion is interesting.

If having one hand on the wheel and the other on the power levers is considered just to complex for some airline crews thank God they are not flying helicopters.
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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 04:26
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I'm with night watch on this . This is the most ridiculous post ever
But okay I will get drawn in

In the words of Hillary Clinton " At this stage what difference does it make?"

Who cares . if you can fly the aircraft comfortably with 1 hand then do so, after all we land with one hand Perhaps that explains some of my arrivals !!
If you have problems using just one then use 2 but seriously if the PF is doing a good job who cares how many hands he has on the stick as long as it isn't shaking I don't give a rats
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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 04:58
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And by the way, those one-handed, supersonic jet solo pilots also flew ...
Maybe the complaining Captain was from this type of background? Pilot weirdos in Hong Kong seem pretty well-represented from all backgrounds.
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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 18:45
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In the words of Hillary Clinton " At this stage what difference does it make?"
Are you actually quoting Hillary? Holy sh*t batman.


Elvis has most defintely left the building.

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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 23:40
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I will try this next time.
Maybe I will get a call to the MR. Allan's office too.....

Q: Vhy vere iu fling vit van and?
A that was fine!!
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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 23:45
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Sorry gents I'm bored and lurking, but this thread makes me smile.

BTW our training dept. occasionally debates if your arm rest should be up or down whilst hand flying. Some think it gives you a steadier hand, however I think they should get their hand off it!
Another great topic that comes up is should the PF's heals be elevated or on the floor when on final approach.

Hope that brings a smile to your face!
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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 23:49
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I wonder how many hands were on the wheel when that 777 hit the seawall?
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Old 4th Jun 2014, 02:24
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When I taxi I roll open the window, rest my arm on the ledge and have my elbow sticking out. I have my other hand on the control yoke, but actually it's more like resting on top of it.

The only feedback I get is the occasional hi five and sometimes a bit of a head bob as we roll on out.
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Old 4th Jun 2014, 07:55
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Being able to comfortably fly the aircraft one-handed (even a widebody jet on a long-haul flight) shows you have the aircraft nicely trimmed and under control and probably have some capacity to spare...

I would welcome that on a flightdeck - not criticise it!
On joining my first airline I asked why the insistence on a two handed rotation? I received various reasons including: rotating with one hand makes you inadvertently roll on bank in the direction of which hand is in use. Or; removing your hand from the thrust levers at V1 is a symbolic tradition in airlines the purpose of which is to make you think twice before aborting after V1 by mistake.
Typical of the Old Wives Tales perpetuated in airline training. None of the above were rational reasons, in my view.
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Old 4th Jun 2014, 18:08
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I prefer to rotate with my left hand as it makes it feel like a stranger is doing it.
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 08:23
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You certainly should be able to fly with one hand but I disagree on one point.



Removing your hand from the thrust levers at V1 is good, sound, industry wide practice and really is an excellent idea, mentally and physically committing you to keep going at that point and not attempting to reject when doing so only invites disaster !
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 10:46
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Sqwak7700: I prefer to rotate with my left hand as it makes it feel like a stranger is doing it.
Congratulations, you have just won the internet . Could also try rotating without any hands by purposefully loading front C.G. and trimming full back around 5 seconds to rotate.

Anyone every try this?

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Old 5th Jun 2014, 10:54
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The Airbus is flown with one hand...
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 14:33
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You could always put the other one on your own joystick and get off while you get off.

I'm sure the '2 hands on the wheel' driving instructor who moaned to the 3rd floor would approve.
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Old 7th Jun 2014, 09:54
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The only airliner currently flying in revenue service that I believe is still regularly and legitimately taught to be landed with 2 hands on the yoke (in the last bit of the flare ONLY) is the DC-9 / MD-XX / B-717 while landing in very gusty winds. No hydraulics so very hands-on. Sequence like this:

1. Left hand on yoke right on throttle. 30 feet (depending on energy state), retard throttle and initiate flare.
2. Right hand to yoke. Complete flare with 2 hands, using precise movements both calculated and rapid, which as airspeed reduces become mighty heaves, shoves, and 90-degree twists of the yoke to counter gusts and maintain flare attitude. Slight "release" of back-pressure right at touchdown (if it is a "good mojo" landing day only).
3. Right hand grabs spoiler handle and holds it forward, momentarily preventing auto-deployment. Gently allow spoilers to deploy simultaneously with "seating" the weight of the aircraft with your left hand as you begin derotation.
4. Release spoiler handle, pull idle reverse.
5. Nose on the ground, deploy more reverse (as required) and stop.
6. Go home and drink beer. Massage your sore biceps from "Wrestling with the Beast".
7. If you think this is crazy talk, you are probably a career Airbus pilot and have never flown one of these, or have never flown one into really gusty winds. Don't get me wrong, I fly the Bus now and love it. But my biceps are shriveling up from lack of use.

I suppose the IL-62 may be the same.
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