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QF redundancies and CX.

Old 15th May 2014, 06:12
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QF redundancies and CX.

While the QF guys get screwed by their management it appears to be another win for ours right when CX is looking to hire more guys n girls at short notice.

Qantas targets 300 pilots for redundancy

Qantas has started a major pilot redundancy program for the first time in decades that will ultimately target as many as 300 pilots it believes are excess to the financially troubled and shrinking airline's needs.

The company has not specified how many jobs it will target in the first round, but it is believed to be about100. While it made initial contact with the pilots on Tuesday afternoon, it has not given them details on the redundancy package.

Fairfax Media believes they will be offered one year’s pay.

Pilots received the news via email from the chief pilot Dick Tobiano, who said that changes to the airline’s network and fleet that were part of its cost reduction program were responsible for the move.

Most of those immediately targeted will come from the ranks that fly the Boeing 767 and B747, which are being retired early.
In the first instance Qantas will attempt to meet its targets for captains and first officer retrenchments voluntarily, but it is unlikely to achieve this. Ultimately, it will probably move to involuntary redundancies.

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Old 15th May 2014, 06:15
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I don't think too many 60 year olds want to come to CX.
I don't think too many young A330 744 second officers could join as DEFO's either.
Maybe a few may come to CX as S/O's but not unless they change the HKID criteria first.

Don't think this is a big win for CX.
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Old 15th May 2014, 06:24
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QF International will probably offer voluntary redundancies first. CX's CEO David Downturn and DFO Little Ken, thinking that they had too many A-Scale pilots, did the same in '99 and the offer was oversubscribed. For those on second or third wives, there is QF Domestic, Jetstar, which is a part of the QF group, and the sand pit. I can't see many ex-QF Sky Gods taking up any CX offer, which is bound to be miserable at best.

Most will retire to the yacht, the winery in the Hunter or the farm at Bowral.

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Old 15th May 2014, 06:36
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CX only in the last few weeks stated that they were going to restart the TT courses (equivalent to the DESO) of the past. There is no problem with HKID and the TT course. With potentially rated QF pilots this could be CX's saving and our sc***ing. It is only the Abinitio and possibly the Advanced cadet entry stream that has been blocked for non HKID holders by the HK Immigration Department.




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Old 15th May 2014, 07:18
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No offense to the young cadet and MPL pilots at KA but I would welcome "experienced" F/O's at KA. My opinion means little, but the experience gradients are cliff like, and an injection of well trained pilots would be a make sense in a rapidly expanding operation.
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Old 15th May 2014, 12:19
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SYD and MEL based DEFO.
No HKID issues. No LSL. No HKPA.
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Old 15th May 2014, 14:16
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HKG based DEFO on HKPA.

Easy and cheap way to crew up for the A350.
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Old 15th May 2014, 14:55
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Gents, you are mislead. Cathay doesn't have a shortage of applicants in the first place.
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Old 15th May 2014, 15:26
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Shortage of applicants? No.
Shortage of suitable applicants? Yes.
A few hundred well trained and experienced pilots applying is a recruiter's dream.
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Old 15th May 2014, 17:29
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Excuse my ignorance but why would CX recruit DEFOs when there are 3yr S/Os on minimal housing lined up waiting for an upgrade? Would the course not be the same? (Assuming that the mythical DEFO doesn't already have A 777/330 type rating).
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Old 15th May 2014, 17:39
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Why??


There are but only a few upgrades who actually complete the conversion within the scheduled time. Unfortunately, the current average LUFUS sector count sits at 75-80 sectors. Some have gotten out to 120.


Hiring experience that would get through in 40 or type guys in 25 would have the training staff on bended knee with clasped hands saying thank you.
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Old 15th May 2014, 20:47
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Why can't we in Cathay not finally, after decades of empirical proof, accept certain truths??

1) There is no shortage of pilots willing to work for Cathay. There never was and there never will be.

2) Any attempt to "dry up" recruitment ( via AOA-ban, warning posts on PPRuNe, talking about "experience needs/ suitability of candidates" etc etc is bound to fail

WE have to fight this OURSELVES. There is no alternative.
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Old 15th May 2014, 21:39
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Another bunch of hacked off Aussies! Just what Cathay needs.
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Old 15th May 2014, 22:08
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LS8C1 Excuse my ignorance but why would CX recruit DEFOs when there are 3yr S/Os on minimal housing lined up waiting for an upgrade? Would the course not be the same? (Assuming that the mythical DEFO doesn't already have A 777/330 type rating).
Because they do not care!
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Old 16th May 2014, 07:08
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Loving it...a couple pissed off skygods from the 400 straight to the 350...will see if the insurance will love that one too...
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Old 16th May 2014, 11:55
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Have you been are for the past 4 months, loads of upgrades to Capt on 400 so those skygods can transfer across form the box carrier. Its not difficult to work out.
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Old 16th May 2014, 14:21
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Another bunch of hacked off Aussies! Just what Cathay needs.
Don't worry about this hacked off Aussie coming and polluting the culture! I'll be going to trade school and live where the air is clean and the sky is blue before moving to HK.
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Old 16th May 2014, 16:15
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Don't worry about this hacked off Aussie coming and polluting the culture! I'll be go

Hey Brown Hornet..

If your not interested...

What are you doing sniffing around the fragrant Harbor forum then???
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Old 16th May 2014, 17:20
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The FUB,

A "skygod" is an Australian "know it all" QF pilot...not a 400 driver...
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Old 17th May 2014, 10:06
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It's not the employment bonanza you might think it is for CX. MOST of those redundancies are guys pushing 65 yrs plus or more. Some of them only do a medical and a couple sims a year and sit at home or on the yacht/farm at Barel ' cause QF doesn't want the image of these old guys/girls/gender undefined reporting to work in Zimmer frames in front of pax. So they collect the dough and milk IT for all it's worth. Not exactly CX material, and I'm pretty sure they won't be coming here or taking a brilliant BUT yet unnounced DFO AUZZIE PACKAGE.

Don't fret it.
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