New AFTLS effective March 1
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The only other option than taking the odd 'personal roster adjustment' is to keep putting in the ASRFs. It doesn't change much in the short term, but it's the only way we can kill their back door attempt to slide in roster disruption but under another name.
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Just from a quick read and from what I've previously heard NO, if they do that then for 3 man flights:--
1/ more rest in Europe will be required. Ref 7.1.21.3D
2/all 3 Pilots need a P1 rating. Ref 7.1.7.2
1/ more rest in Europe will be required. Ref 7.1.21.3D
2/all 3 Pilots need a P1 rating. Ref 7.1.7.2
However
7.1.7.2 allows them to schedule Europe flights as 4 man but with 2 SOs because the Scheduled Sector Time is less than 15 hours. Lowest cost option for the flight in terms of combined salary, HOTAC and accumulated FDP.
7.1.7.2. Augmented Crew
The boarding of extra Flight Crew members for the purpose of providing relief at the controls. When four pilots are boarded for flights with a Scheduled Sector Time of 15 hours or more, a maximum of one pilot may hold a P2X rating. When three pilots are boarded for flights with a Scheduled Sector Time of 12 hours or more each pilot must be P1 rated on type.
The boarding of extra Flight Crew members for the purpose of providing relief at the controls. When four pilots are boarded for flights with a Scheduled Sector Time of 15 hours or more, a maximum of one pilot may hold a P2X rating. When three pilots are boarded for flights with a Scheduled Sector Time of 12 hours or more each pilot must be P1 rated on type.
While the 2 SO option is currently possible, I hope the new RPs tightens up the Manning Levels section to ensure that a crew has a maximum of 1 SO.
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Have to say my March roster is bloody good..(Airbus) hoodathunk!!!
bottom line is chaps, when you get to destination and you feeling a little fatigued...go sick!!
And do it down route...not on base, cos they just call a reserve!
If it happens enough, the change there thinking, regardless of rules.
Thats how the girls do it in the back.
bottom line is chaps, when you get to destination and you feeling a little fatigued...go sick!!
And do it down route...not on base, cos they just call a reserve!
If it happens enough, the change there thinking, regardless of rules.
Thats how the girls do it in the back.
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Three man LRO seems pretty restrictive to me. They can dispense with one crew but lose the remaining to an extra day downroute. Doesn't seem to be something beneficial to the company unless someone calls in sick and begrudgingly they roster it as 3-man.
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Unless the next move of the chess pieces is the CAD allowing initial base training for a P1 rating to be conducted only in the SIM. This would in turn allow all SO’s to have a P1 rating. In the magical wave of the wand CX has saved money with the initial P1 training, and eliminated one flight crew member from the flight deck on LRO that is considerably more expensive than an SO. There is still the obstacle of currency but maybe a restriction that they are cruise FO’s only without the currency requirements of a full FO, if that is possible in HK?
Unless the next move of the chess pieces is the CAD allowing initial base training for a P1 rating to be conducted only in the SIM. This would in turn allow all SO’s to have a P1 rating. In the magical wave of the wand CX has saved money with the initial P1 training, and eliminated one flight crew member from the flight deck on LRO that is considerably more expensive than an SO. There is still the obstacle of currency but maybe a restriction that they are cruise FO’s only without the currency requirements of a full FO, if that is possible in HK?
