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B748i or A380 order?

Old 19th Jun 2013, 09:48
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B748i or A380 order?

Already day 3 at Le Bourget air show and still no order for CX.

What's the latest rumour?
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Old 19th Jun 2013, 10:04
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Neither. Both have 4 engines. CX don't want 4 engines. 787-1000 and 777-900/100 by 2016. There's a rumour.
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Old 19th Jun 2013, 12:09
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Neither. Both have 4 engines. CX don't want 4 engines.
Hmmm. Think again. Think slot constrained airport beyond about 2017 and no third runway til 2023.
Like the last days of Kai Tak. Average seats per movement rose to 214.
Lots of 73s and 320s running around at the moment. Watch the big boys return as flights consolidate.ear
Average Number of Passengers
per Passenger Flight Movement
1993 209
1994 204
1995 210
1996 214
1997 198
1998 194 (New airport opened on 6
th July, 1998)
1999 203
2000 208
2001 189
2002 191
2003 174
2004 185
2005 186
2006 191
2007 196
2008 194
2009 196

Source: CAD (1993-1996), AAHK (1997-2009
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Old 19th Jun 2013, 12:28
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Cathay Pacific still is considering an order for either the Airbus A380 or the Boeing 747-8, but no decision is imminent, the airline’s CEO John Slosar tells Aviation Week.

Cathay for several months has been saying that it was weighing whether to order one of the competing large widebody passenger aircraft, and Slosar previously indicated that a decision could be made in the first half of this year. However, the decision “is going to drag on longer than that,” Slosar said at a Oneworld alliance event during the International Air Transport Association’s annual general meeting in Cape Town.

“We’ve done some work, but we’re not at the point that would lead to a decision,” says Slosar. He notes that the carrier is keeping in touch with what the manufacturers are doing with these programs, and “if the right opportunity came along we would take a look.”

One thing Cathay is considering is how the large widebodies would fit in its network. “We could easily deploy them, we have the routes,” Slosar says. However, the tricky part would be integrating them with the rest of the schedule. “We’re not delaying, we’re just getting to it and working it through,” he says.

Slosar notes that Cathay already has a large number of widebodies on order, such as Airbus A330s and A350s, as well as Boeing 777s, so the carrier is “not in a huge rush to do anything else at the moment.”

Regarding the proposed Boeing 777X range, Slosar says it is an aircraft that Cathay will look at closely. The carrier is one of the world’s largest operators of 777-300ERs, “and we like the type,” he says.
Cathay Still Contemplating Fleet Decision

Don't expect any orders at Paris.
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Old 19th Jun 2013, 13:20
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Other airlines are already well along the way operating them, but CX is STILL looking into it.....
Way to miss the boat, CX.
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Old 19th Jun 2013, 14:20
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747-8i & the way we do business !

“We’re not delaying, we’re just getting to it and working it through,” he says!

This a quote from the Aviation week as per SMOC .

Sounds like the way CX does business with all including its employes !

Bases
SHP
Housing
Etc etc

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Old 20th Jun 2013, 01:35
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Way to miss the boat, CX.
If it's not a money maker, then CX is not interested. So, they haven't missed a boat.
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Old 21st Jun 2013, 09:42
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Crw....
Everyone else is making money with them and ordering more.
Everyone else is moving into new markets and opening up a broader revenue base, ie Africa and South America, etc.
Cathay has been missing boats for years, and makes money in spite of itself, not because of any particularly gifted management style or ability.
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Old 22nd Jun 2013, 05:06
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Actually no, the A380 isn't liked by Airline accountants.

Only the PR department and some Pax like it.
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Old 22nd Jun 2013, 05:13
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And, er... EK seems to not mind them.
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Old 22nd Jun 2013, 06:11
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And since CX's business model is so similar to EK's, CX should have them too.

Right?
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Old 22nd Jun 2013, 07:30
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The airline accountants are prone to telling the odd person or two what they think of the 380. I'm sure the accountants run EK just as much as they do in CX so they're ordering the 380 because it makes financial sense.

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Old 22nd Jun 2013, 10:36
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Haven't we been thru this before? Examine the No. of ERAs on most of EKs routes then consider our Pacific routings, PASY, PHNL, Russia etc. it's been done on a past thread if anyone's bothered.
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Old 22nd Jun 2013, 11:41
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If it is not possible, how is China Southern flying Guangzhou and Los Angeles now ? how is BA going to fly London Hong Kong ?

Could it just be the previous posters had an axe to grind ?
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Old 22nd Jun 2013, 15:22
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look..Nitpicker330 knows stuff all about how accountants think or post between themselves, unless of course he's a bean counter himself in some diabolicle corner of a legacy or pseudo legacy airline. Bottom line here..the 380 is working people and CX have missed their boat. The pro line is blocked for orders until 2017 FGS...and that 747/8 thing can't even cut it. Cx is doomed to reduce its brief into higher frequency, lower volume markets and sadly can't even exploit the latter. Where is it with the African market??..like nowhere!! The sandpit yields are minimal but they stay in the circus through route politics. Niche markets have never been forte but even then, Madrid, Munich, Zurich..again and Manchester should have been mainstream by now. Its a sham and the Skytrash figures, as much as they are propped up by incentives etc..are setting the trend..ie..down.
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Old 22nd Jun 2013, 20:07
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CX's business model at the moment focuses on premium traffic, first and business class. Not sure if the A380 or B747-8i will fit the model. There is only so many first and business class seats you can fill per flight. Y class yield is very small, so why go that way ???
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Angel 748

It mighten happen overnight, but it will happen.

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Old 22nd Jun 2013, 21:57
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Why go that way? Because you'll lose Business and First passengers to other carriers if you don't, making the Cathay is only a premium airline mantra rather a moot point!
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Old 22nd Jun 2013, 23:18
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How many premium do you carry per flight, We carry 14 first and 76 business per flight (380) at EK.

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Old 23rd Jun 2013, 04:17
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Exactly my point, you carry only 30 odd more premium pax in your big 380 that weighs around 200 tonnes MORE than our 777 and you think it makes better business sense. Not only that we carry lots of cargo at the same time AND burn a LOT less fuel.


That's why CX's accountants DON'T WANT IT.

The PR people on the other hand.......maybe we will be forced into buying it just because everyone else has?

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