G day workers you suck!
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Not sure if you're actually serious or you're trying to take the piss but i'll bite!
What average Joe has a beach house in Phuket , a hobbyfarm in Melbourne, a chalet in Big White or send their kids to a posh boarding school in the UK?? Just goes to show how out of touch you are with reality.
Eaxctly, nobody is forcing you to stay, you're free to leave anytime. A bit pathetic when you place the mighty dollar ahead of your happiness. I really doubt you will retire early with that mindset. You'll be here to the end, guaranteed.
Always amazes me how people come to HKG, financially do far better than they would have had they stayed in their home country then turn around and mock the place that has given them the ability to own that beach house in Phuket, or that hobbyfarm in Melbourne...etc. Instead of being ungrateful show some gratitude.
Interestingly enough I have yet to fly with a based guy that seems completely happy..go figure
While the rest of us spend the weekends at the beach house in Phuket, commute to the hobbyfarm in Melbourne, enjoy the chalet on Big White
I'm here because they pay me to be here.
Always amazes me how people come to HKG, financially do far better than they would have had they stayed in their home country then turn around and mock the place that has given them the ability to own that beach house in Phuket, or that hobbyfarm in Melbourne...etc. Instead of being ungrateful show some gratitude.
Interestingly enough I have yet to fly with a based guy that seems completely happy..go figure
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So to summarize;
You; they can get away with paying a mediocre salary without all the extras because, frankly, you like it here and won't be going anywhere.
Me, and much of the rest of the expat community, need a bit of extra motivation to spend parts of our all-too-short lives in this place.
The upcoming pay negs should clarify the company's view on the matter.
You; they can get away with paying a mediocre salary without all the extras because, frankly, you like it here and won't be going anywhere.
Me, and much of the rest of the expat community, need a bit of extra motivation to spend parts of our all-too-short lives in this place.
The upcoming pay negs should clarify the company's view on the matter.
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As an old timer 10 years removed I loved 5 days off in HKG........5 days on the Beach, the speedboat bobbing on it's anchor,my three daughters grew up on it
Make the most of what you have. It was a fantastic experience and they remember it all today. .....CX was the smartest decision of my life.
Make the most of what you have. It was a fantastic experience and they remember it all today. .....CX was the smartest decision of my life.
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Quadspeed,
You seem quick to berate anyone who has carved out a life for themselves in Hong Kong; give us some perspective, what's a typical day off for you in Hong Kong? What's a typical 3 days off in a row for you in Hong Kong?
If all you have is PPrune, Cathay and a group of whining mates, it's never going to work for you.....whatever they pay!
Treb
You seem quick to berate anyone who has carved out a life for themselves in Hong Kong; give us some perspective, what's a typical day off for you in Hong Kong? What's a typical 3 days off in a row for you in Hong Kong?
If all you have is PPrune, Cathay and a group of whining mates, it's never going to work for you.....whatever they pay!
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Dan and the rest of the whiners..even on B,C,D scales..HKG is what you make of it..and some of it is PDG..even now. if you're a water freak..even if you can't afford a Tayana 55, get a cheap kayak and take a look around the coast. Join a hash, paddle club, coasteering mob..climb, paraglide or hike. I know teachers on a fraction of a second officers salary who love HKG, treasure what it has and flip what it hasn't....as one post said..if all you have is prune and eternal whinging.......
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Whining about G day workers
For those upset with G day workers, stop whining on here and pressure the AOA GC to make it policy.
Under the old reserve scheme, I believe we got 3.86 credit hours if not called on a reserve day, AND the duty clock started four hours into your reserve, which the cabin crew STILL HAVE. Do you think CC would overlook guys on reserve to get G day workers if it was going to cost them 3.86 hours for those not used already on Reserve?
Why don't we still have this? Because the AOA decided the new scheme with a promise to "minimise the amount of reserve rostered" but zero credit for the first 30 "R" days a year, and no FDP clock, was a good deal and 12 hour reserve blocks were not too tiring. Never mind all the O days changed to duties, including integrated patterns that are still permitted with this deal.
Remember the majority of AOA members voted for this "deal". Good forethought of the consequences there by the GC.
Under the old reserve scheme, I believe we got 3.86 credit hours if not called on a reserve day, AND the duty clock started four hours into your reserve, which the cabin crew STILL HAVE. Do you think CC would overlook guys on reserve to get G day workers if it was going to cost them 3.86 hours for those not used already on Reserve?
Why don't we still have this? Because the AOA decided the new scheme with a promise to "minimise the amount of reserve rostered" but zero credit for the first 30 "R" days a year, and no FDP clock, was a good deal and 12 hour reserve blocks were not too tiring. Never mind all the O days changed to duties, including integrated patterns that are still permitted with this deal.
Remember the majority of AOA members voted for this "deal". Good forethought of the consequences there by the GC.
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The former reserve credit was 1 hour per 6 hours or reserve, so no where near 3.86 I am afraid. There was so much wrong with our previously rostering system which was unilaterally imposed by the company.
RP 07 was "negotiated" after the 49 ers were dismissed and after many pilots bailed from the AOA. It was not exactly from a position of strength that the pilots were in to dictate rostering practices for which the company felt so compelled to fire 49 pilots for no particular reason.
Just about everything in CX is a poison chalice when dealing with a management team who do not respect their pilots.
An opportunity to fix some of the major problems with rostering in 2007 presented itself however to fix them all was a step to far for CX. To jettison the annual system of rostering for a monthly system With 84 hours was pushing CX to the limit. The monthly limit of 84 hours embedded in our COS in the opinion of those who voted was deemed to be better than continue with to imposed system.
Can you imagine what the recent management chap would have done to our threshold and credit values if not locked away in our cos?
I couldn't agree more that the current reserve system is being abused in its implementation and it is dangerous wrt flight safety. I understand the new AFTLS partially address the major concerns. With a stronger membership base and the fact the law on some of the bases gives some negotiating protections to those jurisdictions I would sincerely hope that the HKAOA can push hard for major changes to our reserve system.
Have you all completed the rostering survey and mentioned your concerns to the AOA or do you think blowing off here will magically fix it.
RP 07 was "negotiated" after the 49 ers were dismissed and after many pilots bailed from the AOA. It was not exactly from a position of strength that the pilots were in to dictate rostering practices for which the company felt so compelled to fire 49 pilots for no particular reason.
Just about everything in CX is a poison chalice when dealing with a management team who do not respect their pilots.
An opportunity to fix some of the major problems with rostering in 2007 presented itself however to fix them all was a step to far for CX. To jettison the annual system of rostering for a monthly system With 84 hours was pushing CX to the limit. The monthly limit of 84 hours embedded in our COS in the opinion of those who voted was deemed to be better than continue with to imposed system.
Can you imagine what the recent management chap would have done to our threshold and credit values if not locked away in our cos?
I couldn't agree more that the current reserve system is being abused in its implementation and it is dangerous wrt flight safety. I understand the new AFTLS partially address the major concerns. With a stronger membership base and the fact the law on some of the bases gives some negotiating protections to those jurisdictions I would sincerely hope that the HKAOA can push hard for major changes to our reserve system.
Have you all completed the rostering survey and mentioned your concerns to the AOA or do you think blowing off here will magically fix it.
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What's a typical 3 days off in a row for you in Hong Kong?
On day 2 I like to take the old speedboat out for a bit of fun on the water, but to my dismay it always seems to coincide with one of the 180 days of hazerdous swimming conditions along the beaches. So I get drunk in midlevels instead.
On day 3 I'm a big fan of a walk amongst all the little gems of shops found in Kowloon, but after the fourth shirt change in 34 degree/99.5% humidity on one of the 110 such days a year I retreat into the comfort of the air conditioned MTR. Which gets me sick and I spend the evening on the couch watching reruns of Family Guy.
Then I haul my ass off to the Middle East where I get a proper case of the $hits before flying 2 man back through the night only to be woken up by the foul smell of home as I round Limes.
For my next 5 days off I try to get in a game of golf, eat some chinese chicken, blow a weeks salary at the Venician, ram my ferrari through the harbour tunnel and try to figure out how to log onto that hsbc provident fund website and see how many years to go.
quadspeed
So funny...yet so true...stuck in Hong Kong just marking time, wasting lifetime, waiting for the final escape.
GeorgeHutt
Leaving CX (with an enough money to retire on) and while he was still young enough was GeorgeHutt's second smartest decision of his life.
Suck as much money as you can out of your employment with CX and then get the hell out of Hong Kong as soon as you can. The aim is to retire to some lovely country where you can lick your wounds and hopefully recover what is left of your health.
But, whatever else you might get up to, do not crap on your colleagues and work G days. Every man who has integrity walks securely.
As they say in the classics...
"Sine integritate homo nihil es."
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What's a typical 3 days off in a row for you in Hong Kong?
Well, on day 1 I like to hike the Wilson Trail, except it just always seems to coincide with one of the 120 days of hazardeous pollution levels. So I hang out at Elements instead.
On day 2 I like to take the old speedboat out for a bit of fun on the water, but to my dismay it always seems to coincide with one of the 180 days of hazerdous swimming conditions along the beaches. So I get drunk in midlevels instead.
On day 3 I'm a big fan of a walk amongst all the little gems of shops found in Kowloon, but after the fourth shirt change in 34 degree/99.5% humidity on one of the 110 such days a year I retreat into the comfort of the air conditioned MTR. Which gets me sick and I spend the evening on the couch watching reruns of Family Guy.
Then I haul my ass off to the Middle East where I get a proper case of the $hits before flying 2 man back through the night only to be woken up by the foul smell of home as I round Limes.
For my next 5 days off I try to get in a game of golf, eat some chinese chicken, blow a weeks salary at the Venician, ram my ferrari through the harbour tunnel and try to figure out how to log onto that hsbc provident fund website and see how many years to go.
What's a typical 3 days off in a row for you in Hong Kong?
Well, on day 1 I like to hike the Wilson Trail, except it just always seems to coincide with one of the 120 days of hazardeous pollution levels. So I hang out at Elements instead.
On day 2 I like to take the old speedboat out for a bit of fun on the water, but to my dismay it always seems to coincide with one of the 180 days of hazerdous swimming conditions along the beaches. So I get drunk in midlevels instead.
On day 3 I'm a big fan of a walk amongst all the little gems of shops found in Kowloon, but after the fourth shirt change in 34 degree/99.5% humidity on one of the 110 such days a year I retreat into the comfort of the air conditioned MTR. Which gets me sick and I spend the evening on the couch watching reruns of Family Guy.
Then I haul my ass off to the Middle East where I get a proper case of the $hits before flying 2 man back through the night only to be woken up by the foul smell of home as I round Limes.
For my next 5 days off I try to get in a game of golf, eat some chinese chicken, blow a weeks salary at the Venician, ram my ferrari through the harbour tunnel and try to figure out how to log onto that hsbc provident fund website and see how many years to go.
GeorgeHutt
As an old timer 10 years removed I loved 5 days off in HKG........5 days on the Beach, the speedboat bobbing on it's anchor,my three daughters grew up on it
Make the most of what you have. It was a fantastic experience and they remember it all today. .....CX was the smartest decision of my life.
Make the most of what you have. It was a fantastic experience and they remember it all today. .....CX was the smartest decision of my life.
Suck as much money as you can out of your employment with CX and then get the hell out of Hong Kong as soon as you can. The aim is to retire to some lovely country where you can lick your wounds and hopefully recover what is left of your health.
But, whatever else you might get up to, do not crap on your colleagues and work G days. Every man who has integrity walks securely.
As they say in the classics...
"Sine integritate homo nihil es."
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Say What?
FlexibleResponse, Quote:- As they say in the classics..."Sine integritate homo nihil es."
Twenty years as an F/E with CX and I never heard anyone say that in the Classics. Should it have been part of my training?
What did the Romans ever do for us?
Twenty years as an F/E with CX and I never heard anyone say that in the Classics. Should it have been part of my training?
What did the Romans ever do for us?
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"It's my life and I need to do this to get time with my family"
"You have the opportunity too, so why give me crap because you won't do it"
Bases like YVR are full of guys who took freighter commands for F/O payrates and then will always come up with the most ridiculous reasons why the best thing for our terms and conditions is to do the job for as little pay as possible.
"My wife said she'd leave me if I didn't have a command at Cathay in 6 years"
"I don't care how little they are offering for a freighter command, I'll take the command now and then complain later to the union that I should be on the same as some guy who has waited 11 years for a pax command"
My point is, there is no way you can argue against working on G days when given the option guys will do whatever they can to feather their own nest at the expense of others.
"You have the opportunity too, so why give me crap because you won't do it"
Bases like YVR are full of guys who took freighter commands for F/O payrates and then will always come up with the most ridiculous reasons why the best thing for our terms and conditions is to do the job for as little pay as possible.
"My wife said she'd leave me if I didn't have a command at Cathay in 6 years"
"I don't care how little they are offering for a freighter command, I'll take the command now and then complain later to the union that I should be on the same as some guy who has waited 11 years for a pax command"
My point is, there is no way you can argue against working on G days when given the option guys will do whatever they can to feather their own nest at the expense of others.
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I was trying to work out how to respond to the previous post in a diplomatic way, but I just can't.
Anotherday you are an absolute dick. Period. You know you are too. Seriously, a complete and absolute dick.
Anotherday you are an absolute dick. Period. You know you are too. Seriously, a complete and absolute dick.
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