5 years ago........today.
...and do not forget that the management pilot involved had been a member of the infamous and cowardly Star Chamber.
But after this effort, he got Star Chambered himself!
But after this effort, he got Star Chambered himself!
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Heard from a reliable source in KAL that the skipper went to Korean and was washed out during sim training! Maybe the Alteon guys at ICN were " jealous "! I was also told that many of them had never flown the T7 before, so his " ground effect " flypast must really have made them very green.
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Is he not the one who leaked "the list" that apparently showed up NR in court after he said no notes were taken 
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Tradition? YES
Tradition to do it that low? NO!
Too Low? Absolutely!
Intended to be that low? Probably. I would think the pilot was using the RA very carefully, but was not accounting for the droop at the rear. RA reading probably 30 FT or so, but tail only 15 FT or so. Just a guess, but low awareness!
Where is he now? Moved on from the Gulf job!
Who else was on the flightdeck? A BTC in the right seat (who didn't know he was planning on going that low?). CEO or DFO in the jump seat? Relief standing in the doorway.
Overall: Poorly executed. Low awareness. Poor communication. Score 1. Refly!
Tradition to do it that low? NO!
Too Low? Absolutely!
Intended to be that low? Probably. I would think the pilot was using the RA very carefully, but was not accounting for the droop at the rear. RA reading probably 30 FT or so, but tail only 15 FT or so. Just a guess, but low awareness!
Where is he now? Moved on from the Gulf job!
Who else was on the flightdeck? A BTC in the right seat (who didn't know he was planning on going that low?). CEO or DFO in the jump seat? Relief standing in the doorway.
Overall: Poorly executed. Low awareness. Poor communication. Score 1. Refly!
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In other words, a spur of the moment, cowboy bet up. A hanging offence now in most Ag aviation companies, let alone a top heavy "airline".
Leave the low flying to the experts.
Leave the low flying to the experts.
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Some folks really like to pile on the criticism. I understand it had been done on previous flights and was practised in the simulator beforehand. I still think its on the low side but it was not a Public Transport Flight.
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Not that we'll ever know, but I'd bet my hat that 99% of those saying it was too low, unsafe etc are the guys who were actually LL trained in a previous life, and all those suggesting it was OK weren't. And sorry..."practiced in the sim" - Hilarious!
Now..... where's my hat?
Now..... where's my hat?
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but it was not a Public Transport Flight.
Plus he had enough fuel to reach HK, so I'm guessing it was pretty heavy, and lots of inertia if he'd suffered any unexpected sink.
50 POB and 100T+ of fuel (fuel figure is a rough guess)
If he'd done it during the acceptance flight schedule with 4 POB and 10T, then maybe it might have been less extreme. To do it full of fuel with passengers onboard was reckless at very best. IMHO
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Heard from a reliable source in KAL that the skipper went to Korean and was washed out during sim training! Maybe the Alteon guys at ICN were " jealous "! I was also told that many of them had never flown the T7 before, so his " ground effect " flypast must really have made them very green.
It's a case of "Normalcy of Devience". We don't really know how low the previous flypasts were as this was the first to be publicly recorded. The fallout cost Cathay dear though.