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SMOC 31st Jan 2013 04:42

5 years ago........today.
 
YouTube

:ok:

Flying Mechanic 31st Jan 2013 12:56

Awesome flyby! Shame it went on you tube.

4 driver 31st Jan 2013 18:59

wasn't it a bit of a tradition? can anyone confirm or deny....?
The beginning of the mobile phone photo/video controversies.

Arfur Dent 31st Jan 2013 20:35

And how The Management ran!!

Captain Dart 31st Jan 2013 21:25

...and do not forget that the management pilot involved had been a member of the infamous and cowardly Star Chamber.

But after this effort, he got Star Chambered himself!

Molokai 31st Jan 2013 22:08

Heard from a reliable source in KAL that the skipper went to Korean and was washed out during sim training! Maybe the Alteon guys at ICN were " jealous "! I was also told that many of them had never flown the T7 before, so his " ground effect " flypast must really have made them very green.

cxorcist 31st Jan 2013 23:07

Too low? Definitely!

Intentionally that low? I seriously doubt it.

Isn't the skipper now at Qatari or some other sandbox job?

SMOC 1st Feb 2013 01:16

Is he not the one who leaked "the list" that apparently showed up NR in court after he said no notes were taken :}

AnAmusedReader 1st Feb 2013 06:57

Yes he was. Last heard of in the desert CP on the -777.

arse 1st Feb 2013 07:53

Tradition? YES
Tradition to do it that low? NO!
Too Low? Absolutely!
Intended to be that low? Probably. I would think the pilot was using the RA very carefully, but was not accounting for the droop at the rear. RA reading probably 30 FT or so, but tail only 15 FT or so. Just a guess, but low awareness!
Where is he now? Moved on from the Gulf job!
Who else was on the flightdeck? A BTC in the right seat (who didn't know he was planning on going that low?). CEO or DFO in the jump seat? Relief standing in the doorway.

Overall: Poorly executed. Low awareness. Poor communication. Score 1. Refly!

doubleu-anker 1st Feb 2013 09:35

In other words, a spur of the moment, cowboy bet up. A hanging offence now in most Ag aviation companies, let alone a top heavy "airline".

Leave the low flying to the experts.

Best Rate 1st Feb 2013 10:25

'Gutsiest move I ever saw man......'

BusyB 1st Feb 2013 10:50

Some folks really like to pile on the criticism. I understand it had been done on previous flights and was practised in the simulator beforehand. I still think its on the low side but it was not a Public Transport Flight.

White None 1st Feb 2013 14:52

Not that we'll ever know, but I'd bet my hat that 99% of those saying it was too low, unsafe etc are the guys who were actually LL trained in a previous life, and all those suggesting it was OK weren't. And sorry..."practiced in the sim" - Hilarious!

Now..... where's my hat?

broadband circuit 1st Feb 2013 16:02


but it was not a Public Transport Flight.
No, it wasn't, but he had about 50 passengers onboard.

Plus he had enough fuel to reach HK, so I'm guessing it was pretty heavy, and lots of inertia if he'd suffered any unexpected sink.

50 POB and 100T+ of fuel (fuel figure is a rough guess)

If he'd done it during the acceptance flight schedule with 4 POB and 10T, then maybe it might have been less extreme. To do it full of fuel with passengers onboard was reckless at very best. IMHO

treboryelk 1st Feb 2013 22:50

White None,

What LL training are you referring to?

Abbeville 1st Feb 2013 23:31

Which ever way you cut it the bloke in the LHS behaved like an utter TAWT.

He has to live with it so best let him be.

Old news

Calvin Hops 2nd Feb 2013 00:55


Heard from a reliable source in KAL that the skipper went to Korean and was washed out during sim training! Maybe the Alteon guys at ICN were " jealous "! I was also told that many of them had never flown the T7 before, so his " ground effect " flypast must really have made them very green.
Yep, he was washed out at KAL. QR seems like a good fit for him.

nitpicker330 2nd Feb 2013 02:05

Every ferry flight departs with full tanks courtesy Boeing. :ok:

Dan Winterland 2nd Feb 2013 02:52

It's a case of "Normalcy of Devience". We don't really know how low the previous flypasts were as this was the first to be publicly recorded. The fallout cost Cathay dear though.


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