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JFK 777 Base on new FTLS

Old 29th Aug 2012, 14:54
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JFK 777 Base on new FTLS

I was told that the GMA said JFK would be opened as a 777 base if the AOA agrees to an appropriate new FTLS.
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 15:07
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I heard the Perth Base is safe so long as they agree to one pilot.
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 15:51
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London remains as long as we wear our hats.
Frankfurt avoids the axe if we don't get sick.
Manchester stays open if we never apply for maternity leave.

Toronto remains if we all PX on the Dakota.
Vancouver won't close if AOAC agrees to CXexpress LCC flying YVR-HKG with contract crews.

Los Angeles has a bright future if we all sign CoS12
San Francisco remains open if we accept DEC without bypass pay.
Miami will open if we raise the EFP threshold to 96hours
Atlanta won't close if we raise retirement to 85.
Chicago has a bright future if we waive our cosmic radiation limits.

Sydney has a fighting chance if we allow floating bases.
Melbourne's future is safe if we don't mind loading ELIs and Linseed Oil on the same pallet.
Brisbane stays intact if we forgive the Star Chamber



Beijing, Shenzhen and Shanghai won't open if we give up housing, schooling, and the AOA.
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 16:34
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That is so funny...thanks for the laugh.
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 16:45
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Thank you Whackthemole.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 01:14
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Can't wait 'til it is filled with Canadians who have the 'right' to work in the US.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 02:00
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No need for the "right" to work. CX is a foreign airline with foreign registered aircraft aircraft with pilots with foreign licenses overseen by a foreign regulator. If you look carefully on the CX tail, you won't see any stars and stripes.

For simplicity, the pilots will based in HKG. They will do some regional flying but will also have a "preferred rostering destination." Days off will be given down route. i.e. in JFK. Local national pilots will go home and foreign pilots will travel to their home country on their days off thereby keeping immigration happy since they won't be overstaying their crew visas (183 days).
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 02:06
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...but the PABA will still say that officers taking a based position must have the legal right to work in the country they are bidding for and also pay tax in that country - just like the PABA always has. Hmmm.... wonder why the company is having issues around the world? Some are brought on by FOP Admin by not verifying people's legitimate 'right' to live and work in a country they are based. How hard can that be??
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 04:49
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Actually dogleg, they do need the right to work from a US base. Why is it, do you think, that the company went through all the trouble of getting visas for the Canadians working from US bases? It wasn't just an paper exercise for practice. It is required by US law and, subsequently, company policy. So if we are going to have newly based pilots being company sponsored for US visas, they better plan on finding ways for this to happen in all the other basing areas as well. That Ozzie base sure looks good from where I'm sitting...

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Old 30th Aug 2012, 05:11
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CX helped the Canadians get visas so CX would not have any possibility of having to help those Canadians with a future version of the present "double taxation" issue.

CX can say, "You have the right to live and work in the USA, so, go there and you won't be liable for Canadian tax, nor will we."

It's like chess. We pilots look at the present move.

CX looks (suprisingly enough) at least one or two moves ahead.

No, I'm not referring to the basing office. I'm referring to those who have run this colonial enterprise since the 1700's.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 06:18
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Why on earth would the AoA even put this forward to vote on? Sorry I forgot they are the other face of management.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 18:49
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JFK 777 Base on new FTLS???

Where did that go?

How is it that we start American Bashing? If Cathay offers work visas to anyone who wants them, are you going to say NO to an LAX base living in San Diego?

So, JFK 777 base?

Refoucus.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 21:03
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The new FTLs have nothing to do with what the company proposes for a potential 777 JFK base. CX wants EFP calculated and averaged over a 2 months period, eg 1 month 96 hours, the next month 72 hours equals a monthly average of 84 hours over a 2 month period and no EFP paid.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 23:22
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Averaging of hours over a two month period. That will be a NO on the ballot!!

ps. Go Israel.
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Old 31st Aug 2012, 01:35
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New FTL's

What are the new FTL's? Is it 92 hours before overtime or overtime over a 2 month period?

Three trips a month will make out to be about 96 hours.

I am sure those desperate for a base will sign just about anything to get out.

Let's make some sense of this.

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Old 31st Aug 2012, 02:24
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Mr. Bloggs

There are no new FTL's at the moment plus FTL's have nothing to do with EFP. FTL's are based on CAD371. The hours are just an example to explain how 2 months averaging would work. Cx would only consider a JFK base if they can roster 5 trips over a 2 month period without accruing EFP. That's one of the idea's presently floating around on the 3rd floor. As I said before this has nothing to do with FTL's.

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Old 31st Aug 2012, 02:49
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Understood.

Just seeing what was floating around.

Seems like they are trying to renegotiate the rostering practices then?

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Old 31st Aug 2012, 04:57
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Yes, Mr. Bloggs, those desperate for a base will sign anything to get out.

Unfortunately, those who are content with the polluted cesspool which is Hong Kong and for whom selling their childrens' health to the devil for a few bucks of housing allowance will certainly vote No to any modification of our contract which will benefit those who are on or who wish to take a base.
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Old 31st Aug 2012, 06:09
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If they want efficiency and safety then all they have to do is roster JFK based crews to do a SIN or CGK through the night flight on their layover in HKG. Efficient and right on everyone's body clock. You'd be approaching 80 hours every month by doing two trips a month from JFK.

The company has already stated they are increasing frequencies, including a 2nd through the night flight out of SIN and a SGN redeye.
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Old 31st Aug 2012, 11:14
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JFK 777 Base on new FTLS

I find your lack of faith disturbing... :P
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