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Old 21st Jun 2012, 12:09
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I was wondering if anybody knew which aircraft first operated the Transpolar route to New York for CX??
I still think it was the A340-600, ML and the boys flew to NY via YVR as I was with him, he and PH went onto NY while I flew back to Kai Tak, and then they flew direct back as "Polar one" to CLK. PH was the Commander, ML was the PF, no idea who the rest were. I don't ever remember the 744 going direct to NY.
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The flight dubbed "Polar One" was operated as CPA6889.

It's scheduled departure from JFK was July 5, 1998 at 0245 local and arrival at HKG (CLK) on July 6, at 0630 local. Scheduled flight time 15:45 and operated by B-HUJ. The aircraft was towed to 31L/13R to depart with full tanks.

Just to give you a idea of how much benefit these Polar routes provide, with average 2007 winter winds (stronger headwinds than the summer), United on average carried 316 pax and 5000lbs cargo on HKG-ORD (14:32) flying time.

Compared to the same flight not using Polar 3, The ZFW is far more limited, with only 246 pax and no cargo. (15:41) flying time.



Some history

In 1996 United began ORD-HKG (before Polar routes existed). Summer only operation with every departure having to be towed to the runway!

In 1997 Polar 1/2/3/4 were created and Cathay's CPA6889 was the first to fly right over the NPOLE.

United was the first to commence scheduled Polar "demo" flights and flew the first one via Polar 3 in 1998 ORD-HKG.

In 1999 there were a total of 12 demo Polar flights and in 2000 with scheduled flights now approved, that number jumped to 253 polar flights.

In July 2000, United launched JFK-HKG on the 744, however dropped the route after only 5 months due to weak demand. One may wonder how there could be weak demand on a market that supports some 7-8 daily flights today (including EWR). Truth is that UA's presence at JFK was weak and shrinking rapidly.

United operated its 10000th Polar flight on July 29th 2009.

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Old 21st Jun 2012, 18:47
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That's pretty crazy how they have to tow them to the runway!
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 02:30
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ML and PH. Two CX Captains I hope to never have to fly with again!
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 08:03
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Well you won't have to fly with PH as he's gone but why wouldn't you want to fly with ML for heaven's sake? Lovely chap!
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Old 25th Jun 2012, 14:51
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PH & MFL.

Chirp, chirp, chirp, chrirp
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Old 4th Jul 2012, 14:06
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I'm sure everyone has different views on each pilot but all have done a fine job on flying across the pole!
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Old 6th Jul 2012, 09:18
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It's hardly rocket science, well done to the old guys though, must have been demanding!!!!!!
 
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Surely it's just LNAV and read another book?
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