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Cathay Pacific Warns It May Have To Park Planes, Cut Flights

Old 28th Apr 2012, 06:59
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SHAME SHAME SHAME on you Captain who picked up the diverted CX134 yesterday. You are not helping.
 
Old 28th Apr 2012, 08:52
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Flaps, the only reason we are paying high prices for our fuel right now is that we are still working off the forward contracts at around US$120 a barrel oil equivalent.

Yet again a brilliant piece of forward planning.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 09:01
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They are preparing us!

To the extent we can reduce flying and park aircraft this will likely open up opportunities for crew to take voluntary unpaid leave. I am sure someone will ask, so let me say that there are no plans to introduce mandatory unpaid leave at this stage. Unfortunately, it is possible that we would have to consider mandatory unpaid leave if the business environment were to deteriorate further.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 10:21
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Brent spot today is 120 (well, 120.02). Spot jet kerosine in Singapore is 132.9 a barrel.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 14:49
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SHAME SHAME SHAME on you Captain who picked up the diverted CX134 yesterday. You are not helping.
Unfortunately, this place is filled with G-day heroes undermining everybody's contract. They were out in force yesterday with another ATC collapse due to weather.

Maybe they should put some big windows in the new ATC center so that someone can see the storms before they are right over the airport and actually implement a sound plan to deal with all the aircraft.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 16:22
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so you've put his name out there for the world to see
Where? I certainly could not find the name in his post.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 16:38
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Before we start talking about SLS, how about getting all our contracted paid leave allocated first??? What a bunch of BS...
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 18:46
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"...out in force yesterday with another ATC collapse..."
...on the floor laughing.

...taking bets on which pPrat from C.......y would go on PPRuNe and blame ATC for the weather.

Oh, God it's that pPrat with the moniker that he can't spell correctly, AGAIN.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 22:33
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Where? I certainly could not find the name in his post.
You are indeed correct, but you are still trying to be a smart ass. Anyone of about 2700 pilots, plus anyone else at CX can look up his name. I can't be bothered to check on the numbers but you've made his name public to around 10 000 people and yet you choose to remain anonymous.

I'm not saying he was right/wrong, but if you have such strong convictions about this matter, rat him out on the AOA forum, where you both will be known and where the captain in question can defend his decision.
Unless of course, you are too stingy to join the AOA and this forum is the only way for you to vent your frustrations whilst you piggyback on others to try and create better conditions for everyone....
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 00:48
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Don't be fooled. The company cannot force you into unpaid leave. We have a contracted salary level. As with that, and all other contractual benefits, they cannot be reduced without your agreement. That is the reason that the 'scheme' has been 'voluntary' in the past. They can ask....and I can say 'no'. Not playing their game this time. They just kept nearly all of the 5 Billion profit to themselves. They have enough of my money/time as it is. They are not getting any more.
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 01:21
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SLS III.. Not a chance.. If they need to reduce crew hrs.. start at the bottom of the list. CYA iCadets.
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 02:05
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I agree...this would be a great opportunity for iCadets to get some hands on experience in places like Oz, NZ and Southern Africa...beats playing with the CPDLC over the Pacific...
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 08:36
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...taking bets on which pPrat from C.......y would go on PPRuNe and blame ATC for the weather.
Not blaming ATC for the weather. I'm blaming ATC for their complete deer-in-the-headlights response. Aircraft declaring emergencies, no answer. Putting aircraft on vectors to no-where. These guys behave like the weather suddenly appears on top of HKG airport. Don't HKG ATC have anyone whose sole purpose is to spot this weather moving in and proactively put a plan in place, like alternate arrival corridors and holding?

Coupled with the crappy forecasts from the HK Observatory it is downright dangerous.

But I'm sure that would require someone actually making some tough decisions. I don't think that is allowed in this country, is it??
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 08:40
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Categorically awful controlling on Friday. I was inbound mid afternoon. Complete confusion from the controllers. Confusing aircraft callsigns, useless vectors. My favourite was two aircraft holding at Abbey, to the south of the airway because the weather was impinging the north side. Another a/c arrives, told to hold NORTH of the airway at Abbey..! Pilot asks 'can we hold on the south side LIKE THE OTHER AIRCRAFT??? Hilarious....and a bit pathetic. The only restoration of sanity was the intermittent transfer of controlling to a 'gweillo' voice. Once order was restored, the local controller was back in the seat. HK...a world class airport...REALLY? There needs to be an inquiry. This is going to end in disaster one day.
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 12:38
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While some may well be contemplating what to do during their compulsory SLS... I'm sure they will have time to congratulate the Swire family on their move up the Sunday Times Rich List to number 40, the result of being worth another 350 million pounds than last year. Strangely, they don't seem to feature at all on the Top 50 Giving List... must be a misprint...
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 16:01
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I'm not saying he was right/wrong, but if you have such strong convictions about this matter, rat him out on the AOA forum, where you both will be known and where the captain in question can defend his decision.
There is no defence. Simple.
I named nobody. If you choose to look him up, then you are interested in finding out who he is. If not, ignore my post.
 
Old 29th Apr 2012, 18:57
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Thumbs up

While some may well be contemplating what to do during their compulsory SLS... I'm sure they will have time to congratulate the Swire family on their move up the Sunday Times Rich List to number 40, the result of being worth another 350 million pounds than last year. Strangely, they don't seem to feature at all on the Top 50 Giving List... must be a misprint...

Good for them! Who is John Galt....?
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 21:53
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Who is John Galt....?
Very good, Ash.

It's the only way forward...
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 22:25
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I named nobody. If you choose to look him up, then you are interested in finding out who he is. If not, ignore my post.
gutless........
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Couldn't have said it better myself Jizz!
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 02:06
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The reason CX are parking planes is they can't find quality - military crew anymore ... how on earth could a general aviation pleb ever progress through the system to keep the airline afloat? I have been saying this for years but nobody listens.

When I joined you had to be a gun 120KT Caribou pilot to make the grade .... I'm Glad I can retire in another 8 years and walk away from this declining industry .... fly my warbird and tell war stories.
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