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Seven, your statements are 100% wrong! Doubt all you want, but BN (you know who BN is, or do you not work for CX?) told ME personally, to my face, that FOCs are NOT CONFIRMED IN SENIORITY ORDER NOR ARE THEY CONFIRMED IN ORDER OF BOOKING OR WAITLISTING!!!! GOT IT????
However, if you're confirmed you're not going back to the waitlist, OK?
I don't think you work for CX since you mention "priority 14." What the hell is that? It's either priority 4 or priority 11. Where did you get 14? Do you get priority 14 FOCs? Ah, you don't get FOCs since you don't work for CX and have no idea what you're talking about.
Freehills, why are you "fairly sure FOCs are on a first come, first served basis?" I have PERSONAL EXPERIENCE BEING ON WAITLIST WHILE SOMEONE JUNIOR TO ME, WITH THE SAME PRIORITY 11B FOC BOOKED THE FOC A FEW HOURS PRIOR TO THE FLIGHT AND WAS IMMEDIATELY CONFIRMED WHILE I REMAINED ON THE WAITLIST AND DIDN'T GET ON THE FLIGHT!
However, if you're confirmed you're not going back to the waitlist, OK?
I don't think you work for CX since you mention "priority 14." What the hell is that? It's either priority 4 or priority 11. Where did you get 14? Do you get priority 14 FOCs? Ah, you don't get FOCs since you don't work for CX and have no idea what you're talking about.
Freehills, why are you "fairly sure FOCs are on a first come, first served basis?" I have PERSONAL EXPERIENCE BEING ON WAITLIST WHILE SOMEONE JUNIOR TO ME, WITH THE SAME PRIORITY 11B FOC BOOKED THE FOC A FEW HOURS PRIOR TO THE FLIGHT AND WAS IMMEDIATELY CONFIRMED WHILE I REMAINED ON THE WAITLIST AND DIDN'T GET ON THE FLIGHT!
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Another issue comes when Senior crew travel with their family. If travelling with kids under 15 years you can only list in Y.
Along comes a very junior staff member just 6 mths in the company. They list in J & have priority over you & the family.
Along comes a very junior staff member just 6 mths in the company. They list in J & have priority over you & the family.
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Ouch NH, take it easy mate. No offense was intended, was just making the point that random confirmations of FOCs seem unlikely. I'd like to believe there is some method in the madness, even in CX 
. But as BN (or to be more accurate, RJN) has given you his personal assurance countering this, I'll just defer to your wisdom.
The point I was making is that if bookings were to be confirmed strictly on seniority, that scenario may well become a regular occurance, unless there were other caveats imposed, which may well come with unintended consequences of their own.
. But as BN (or to be more accurate, RJN) has given you his personal assurance countering this, I'll just defer to your wisdom.
However, if you're confirmed you're not going back to the waitlist, OK?
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Staff travel, fortunately, is the one area where seniority is actually respected in CX.
Not entirely true Capt Pants, I wonder if you work actually for CX?
The KA DECs kept their KA DoJ for staff travel purposes and pay point. Some of them are now surprisingly senior for staff travel.
Staff travel, fortunately, is the one area where seniority is actually respected in CX.
Not entirely true Capt Pants, I wonder if you work actually for CX?
The KA DECs kept their KA DoJ for staff travel purposes and pay point. Some of them are now surprisingly senior for staff travel.
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Just had a couple of questions regarding our staff travel policies. Yes I know it's online but I'm asking here because I can't seem to find it anymore.
1. Travel nominees: for companion and parents, priority 27? How about spouse and children?
2. Crew seats: sat in a cabin crew seat once cause flight was full and jumps seat not released as it was a training flight. Can we use crew seats for all fleets or just our own?
Thanks
1. Travel nominees: for companion and parents, priority 27? How about spouse and children?
2. Crew seats: sat in a cabin crew seat once cause flight was full and jumps seat not released as it was a training flight. Can we use crew seats for all fleets or just our own?
Thanks
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The KA DECs kept their KA DoJ for staff travel purposes and pay point. Some of them are now surprisingly senior for staff travel.
Looking forward to the usual blinkered 'we bought you' crap arguments
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I think then Cum you might be disappointed when you try to get on for ST if there is a KA DEC who joined KA before you joined CX!
Same applies for all the ex KA office staff too.
Same applies for all the ex KA office staff too.
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If the pilots aren't there to fly the planes, nothing happens.
If there are no cabin crew to man the doors, nothing happens.
If there are no ramp staff, ground engineers, fuel truck drivers etc, nothing happens.
The list goes on.
It's not just us they need.
If there are no ramp staff, ground engineers, fuel truck drivers etc, nothing happens.
The list goes on.
It's not just us they need.
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Under uk employment law you are protected under TUPE rules which means that if airline A takes over airline B your DOJ for benefits such as travel is from when you started not when you were taken over. Also if you are the subject of the takeover any benefits you have that are better you keep, those not as good are made up.
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Amused, you've missed the point.
Perhaps it would all make more sense if you subdivide people into those that provide support to prepare a flight, those that provide support in conducting a flight, and those that conduct the flight.
Maybe it would be easier for you to sort out the relative importance/essential service nature/cost of acquiring and replacing of each of your examples by ranking the financial value placed upon them by their employers? I fail to understand why this makes some feel so uncomfortable.
Next you're going to actually pretend that the guy who types in the notams is as valuable and critical as the terminal area controller? Or a company's sanitation scheduling assistant is as important and essential as the CFO? Or the army's corporals should be paid as much as the major-generals?
Yes, major-generals can't lead troops if they don't have troops to lead. But that was not the point, now, was it?
Perhaps it would all make more sense if you subdivide people into those that provide support to prepare a flight, those that provide support in conducting a flight, and those that conduct the flight.
Maybe it would be easier for you to sort out the relative importance/essential service nature/cost of acquiring and replacing of each of your examples by ranking the financial value placed upon them by their employers? I fail to understand why this makes some feel so uncomfortable.
Next you're going to actually pretend that the guy who types in the notams is as valuable and critical as the terminal area controller? Or a company's sanitation scheduling assistant is as important and essential as the CFO? Or the army's corporals should be paid as much as the major-generals?
Yes, major-generals can't lead troops if they don't have troops to lead. But that was not the point, now, was it?
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The point is, an airline aims to make money by flying passengers/freight from A to B. Having its planes fly is not in itself the goal. If nobody had sold tickets to passengers, no qualified cabin crew to meet the requirements, no engineer to make the aircrafts serviceable etc, would the airline still hand us the keys and ask us to go burn a whole load of fuel? Do pilots create value for the company by flying an empty aircraft?
If it becomes impossible for an airline to make money, the pilots will be just as redundant as everyone else.
If it becomes impossible for an airline to make money, the pilots will be just as redundant as everyone else.
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Getting back to the issue of ticket prices for staff...
There are, in fact, 3 levels of ZED fare that airlines use: ZED High, Med, and Low. How those relate to actual fare charged is a mystery though, like much of staff travel at CX. I thought, naively, that all ID90's were exactly that - 90% of the full fare.
On a slight sidetrack... Why is it we can't buy J-class ID90's on other airlines? The structure is there for it to happen, but we're not allowed to use it for leisure travel. Surely it would make sense to allow it at least on other OneWorld carriers?
Rant over
There are, in fact, 3 levels of ZED fare that airlines use: ZED High, Med, and Low. How those relate to actual fare charged is a mystery though, like much of staff travel at CX. I thought, naively, that all ID90's were exactly that - 90% of the full fare.
On a slight sidetrack... Why is it we can't buy J-class ID90's on other airlines? The structure is there for it to happen, but we're not allowed to use it for leisure travel. Surely it would make sense to allow it at least on other OneWorld carriers?
Rant over
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BA ZED LHR-HKG-LHR
For J on other carriers an ID75 would be applicable which would represent a hugely increased cost against a ZED fare and in many cases more expensive than buying a ticket in J from a consolidator.
The BA fare LHR-HKG-LHR
Y basic standby GBP97.00 + 115.43 Tax GBP212.43
J premium standby GBP291.00 + 115.43 Tax GBP406.43
Annual Bookable tax only GBP125.43
An extra 10.00 appears on tax on the FOC ticket
Boarding priority is set against DOJ with Premium standby taking priority. Should one purchase a premium standby and elect to travel in Y no refund of the difference between basic and premium fare is applicable. Some office based employees seem to have DOJ set as their DOB as part of the benefit package.
The BA fare LHR-HKG-LHR
Y basic standby GBP97.00 + 115.43 Tax GBP212.43
J premium standby GBP291.00 + 115.43 Tax GBP406.43
Annual Bookable tax only GBP125.43
An extra 10.00 appears on tax on the FOC ticket
Boarding priority is set against DOJ with Premium standby taking priority. Should one purchase a premium standby and elect to travel in Y no refund of the difference between basic and premium fare is applicable. Some office based employees seem to have DOJ set as their DOB as part of the benefit package.
