Bases?
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From: Mbambalabesi
Bases?
Hello,
I passed SO selection!
Does Cathay still base people outside HK? Second Officers? First Officers? I am from Europe and would be interested in a base over here. I heard they are not doing it anymore due to some tax problems? So if I start with them, I WILL spend my life in HK?
Thank for help!
Cheers
I passed SO selection!
Does Cathay still base people outside HK? Second Officers? First Officers? I am from Europe and would be interested in a base over here. I heard they are not doing it anymore due to some tax problems? So if I start with them, I WILL spend my life in HK?
Thank for help!
Cheers
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From: HKG
Bases will not close as there is a reason not to close them. It saves them money and too many guys/girls on bases would quit if they were forced back to HKG. This current mess will be sorted out.
They will only be available in the future if there is a benefit. It will still save them money to get pilots with expat benefits onto a base. It will not save them money to get cadets to take a base. If enough cadets leave when they have experience as want to go back home it may well be worth their while to keep the base slots available. If none leave when told no bases it will remain, no bases.
No one knows what will happen, maybe a commuting contract, maybe bases, maybe no bases and no commuting contract. Unfortunately there is no answer at the moment for your question. Oh there are not and never have been bases for SOs other than temp ones for two months at a time, very unlikely to start again.
They will only be available in the future if there is a benefit. It will still save them money to get pilots with expat benefits onto a base. It will not save them money to get cadets to take a base. If enough cadets leave when they have experience as want to go back home it may well be worth their while to keep the base slots available. If none leave when told no bases it will remain, no bases.
No one knows what will happen, maybe a commuting contract, maybe bases, maybe no bases and no commuting contract. Unfortunately there is no answer at the moment for your question. Oh there are not and never have been bases for SOs other than temp ones for two months at a time, very unlikely to start again.
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It used to save them money to have people on bases. Now, with all the lawyers and accountants and payroll companies and administration of based employees and unavoidable bargaining meetings and extra corporate and payroll taxes, not to mention the reduced productivity, waste of time and waste of money and waste of resources.....not so much.
Of course, this doesn't apply to iCadets, who cost nothing to keep in HKG (10K/month, maybe 20 or 30 soon...still nothing) where they are far more productive and consistently available for extra work.
Of course, this doesn't apply to iCadets, who cost nothing to keep in HKG (10K/month, maybe 20 or 30 soon...still nothing) where they are far more productive and consistently available for extra work.
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Of course, this doesn't apply to iCadets, who cost nothing to keep in HKG (10K/month, maybe 20 or 30 soon...still nothing)
With those kind of numbers and managements sole reliance on the law of averages to fill seats with such a crap deal, meeting the recruitment target, will unfortunately be a non-event
If you have kids, you will understand why trying to teach them what's right, wrong and best for them based on your own painful experience, is a futile exercise.
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There is a lot of BS flying around this thread.
Bases ARE NOT DEAD.
They plan on resuming normal service late 2012.
I say "PLAN" on resuming.
Cx does save quite a bit using bases and they'd like it to continue.
Bases ARE NOT DEAD.
They plan on resuming normal service late 2012.
I say "PLAN" on resuming.
Cx does save quite a bit using bases and they'd like it to continue.
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Cx does save quite a bit using bases and they'd like it to continue.
You assume that it is up to Cathay. The reasons bases are in trouble are external to Cathay. If it were so simple, EVERY AIRLINE would have the same basing situation. But the reality is that it does not work, politically, financially and immigration wise. That is why no airline out there has the same base situation we have.
Cathay right now is dealing with the fallout of this. They KNOW basings are dead, but right now they are still very much putting out the fire. As this fire is raging, there are still recruits coming to live in the burning building so it is in Cathay's interest to tell everyone the building is still sound.
You will know bases are dead when you get the transfer letter back to HKG with a nice sign or resign spot at the bottom. Even then, they will still be telling new recruits that they have bases and that they will be available in the future. They will get as much mileage from the dead bases as they possibly can.
That is what many airlines do (Emirates, Hainan, HK Airlines, Air China). Go look at Air China, they have been advertising "bases available soon" for two years now. And it is always the dangling carrot at Emirates, they love how the rumor hangs around. Quick, apply now with a Xian base, it is only temporary. And while you are at it, I have some property on the moon you should really take a look at. The nights are a bit chilly, but you have loads of room and will never complain about your neighbors. Quick, act now, supplies are limited!!
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Sorry, wrong wrong and ..........wrong.
based guys have their head in the sand, sticking to the hope that 'it's too expensive to bring us back' or 'everyone will just quit.' For one, it's not too expensive considering we've got 200 icadets in 2011 and another 300 coming next year. Each new cheap icadet offsets whatever costs may occur over the remaining short life of expats benefits in hk. Secondly, very few pilots are going to quite immediately, proving a trickle of resignations offset by cheap icadets and direct-entry blokes on C scale.
Reality is setting in in hong kong where most expats between 30 and 40 are currently updating their resumes trying to salvage a career job somewhere where their wife and kids can live for the next 25-35 years.
bases are dead. they will not open again. anything else is delusional.
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Still wrong wrong and wrong.
So lets hope you are right and this is just a speed-bump in the bases. Lets drink to that, cheers!
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Sqwak7700
Would you like to tell me how commutable rosters will fix the current tax problem? The fact is it won’t. In my opinion it will make it considerably worse.
I won’t even go into the labour laws of the on shored countries to explain the legal mine field you hypothesis would create in forcing based pilots back to Hong Kong and then forcing lower T&C’s on them in the process.
Would you like to tell me how commutable rosters will fix the current tax problem? The fact is it won’t. In my opinion it will make it considerably worse.
I won’t even go into the labour laws of the on shored countries to explain the legal mine field you hypothesis would create in forcing based pilots back to Hong Kong and then forcing lower T&C’s on them in the process.
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I won’t even go into the labour laws of the on shored countries to explain the legal mine field you hypothesis would create in forcing based pilots back to Hong Kong and then forcing lower T&C’s on them in the process.
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404 Titan.....100% agree.
Cx will re-start the Basings again later this year, I'll bet your left nut on it
They have spent way too much time and effort to walk away now. It's nearly fixed ( well Oz anyway )
Cx will re-start the Basings again later this year, I'll bet your left nut on it
They have spent way too much time and effort to walk away now. It's nearly fixed ( well Oz anyway )