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It is a shame there are so many ignorant people on this forum.
I lived in Beijing for over three years and enjoyed it immensly.
Of course the worst stories about China are highlighted in the western media but having lived there and seen a lot for myself I can only say that you shouldn't believe everything you read about the PRC.
A lot of the time we look like complete hypocrites to them. We preach the morales of western society and the basic freedoms of man whilst at the same time breaching them ourselves on a daily basis. Of course they have their social issues but remember they have more or less been catapulted from the medieval period to the 20th-21st century in the space of 30 years or so and course nothing can run completely smoothly.
I've got plenty more MrClaus but first my advice to you would be to visit the country first before passing judgement.
I lived in Beijing for over three years and enjoyed it immensly.
Of course the worst stories about China are highlighted in the western media but having lived there and seen a lot for myself I can only say that you shouldn't believe everything you read about the PRC.
A lot of the time we look like complete hypocrites to them. We preach the morales of western society and the basic freedoms of man whilst at the same time breaching them ourselves on a daily basis. Of course they have their social issues but remember they have more or less been catapulted from the medieval period to the 20th-21st century in the space of 30 years or so and course nothing can run completely smoothly.
I've got plenty more MrClaus but first my advice to you would be to visit the country first before passing judgement.
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AlexanderH, you know what they say about assume.
It makes an ass out of U and ME.
Got a year up on your 'China time' buddy and married a local at that.
You can get off your high horse anytime now.
It makes an ass out of U and ME.
Got a year up on your 'China time' buddy and married a local at that.
You can get off your high horse anytime now.
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What low level is that? Telling people about stories that they can freely read in the papers; and some in mainland papers at that.
You gave some good advice though, don't believe everything you read. The 'Keep Control' party is pretty good at making stuff up to stay in power. That also extends to the contract that you will sign for this Air China/CX undercover job. My advice for anyone thinking of taking a contract job in China is, 'have an escape plan' and take AlexanderH's advice, don't believe everything you read when you get that contract.
You gave some good advice though, don't believe everything you read. The 'Keep Control' party is pretty good at making stuff up to stay in power. That also extends to the contract that you will sign for this Air China/CX undercover job. My advice for anyone thinking of taking a contract job in China is, 'have an escape plan' and take AlexanderH's advice, don't believe everything you read when you get that contract.
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•No limitation of VMC circle to land restriction on license.
What country puts VMC limits on a pilots licence ?
Fg
What country puts VMC limits on a pilots licence ?
Fg
Many out there have it on theirs.
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Having spent the last 7 years flying almost daily in China.. it is a Sh8Thole.
If you think otherwise you need your head examined
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Yes, the FAA prohibits any -121 (airlines like Delta, UAL, etc.) from flying a circling approach (in IMC WX mins). They are the most dangerous type of "normal" flight operation, so they are not allowed.
If you have the weather minimums, you are allowed to descend on an instrument approach until you reach VMC, and then fly a normal visual traffic pattern and approach. The WX mins, in the US, for a visual traffic pattern are much higher than for a circling approach.
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If you have the weather minimums, you are allowed to descend on an instrument approach until you reach VMC, and then fly a normal visual traffic pattern and approach. The WX mins, in the US, for a visual traffic pattern are much higher than for a circling approach.
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FG,
The FAA will put a restriction on your ATPL if you do not perform an IFR circle on your type rating ride. It is basically a restriction that any circling has to be done in VFR conditions. The reason is that many USA airlines have stopped doing circle approaches in their operations and therefore do not train their pilots to perform the approach in IFR conditions. Also the Sim used for the ride must be certified, as well as the specific approach used for the "checkride".
The FAA will put a restriction on your ATPL if you do not perform an IFR circle on your type rating ride. It is basically a restriction that any circling has to be done in VFR conditions. The reason is that many USA airlines have stopped doing circle approaches in their operations and therefore do not train their pilots to perform the approach in IFR conditions. Also the Sim used for the ride must be certified, as well as the specific approach used for the "checkride".
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I find it a bit amusing that some make grand pronouncements about certain things and pass them off as factual. While one is certainly entitled to your own opinion about a certain locale, please don't make statements of facts that are not so.
The information about the Social Security tax being collected currently is not factual. What is factual is that it is being considered and to be honest will most likely be implemented at some point. The number being given is something about 8%, but based on what level of earnings, etc is unknown at this point.
Perception is certainly a big part of reality, but not all of what is being put forth here is my reality of life behind "The Great Firewall". It is a LONG way from Shangri La, but does have some upsides. I guess like most things in life, you get out a little of what you put into it.
One thing is for certain, if you come to China expecting them to adhere to your way of thinking, you will be in for continuing disappointment. It is not going to happen. That being the case, you are certainly better off staying away. Of course that is just my opinion, and probably worth what you paid for it.
The information about the Social Security tax being collected currently is not factual. What is factual is that it is being considered and to be honest will most likely be implemented at some point. The number being given is something about 8%, but based on what level of earnings, etc is unknown at this point.
Perception is certainly a big part of reality, but not all of what is being put forth here is my reality of life behind "The Great Firewall". It is a LONG way from Shangri La, but does have some upsides. I guess like most things in life, you get out a little of what you put into it.
One thing is for certain, if you come to China expecting them to adhere to your way of thinking, you will be in for continuing disappointment. It is not going to happen. That being the case, you are certainly better off staying away. Of course that is just my opinion, and probably worth what you paid for it.
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Ok, you want facts :
1) China is the most polluted country in the world, you will do permanent damage to your respiratory system if you spend any extended time there.
2) Corruption is not just abundant, it is a way of life for them
3) No Chinese airline has stuck to the conditions of the contract, some are worse than others, either that or they just change the contract completely.
4) As many have discovered, as an expat you have absolutely no industrial protection..
5) Not sure about Air china but most of them smoke in the cockpit.
6) you will probably be one of two English speakers on the flight deck, and the other one won't bother speaking English to you unless its required.
I can see how if you lived in Bangalore, Rwanda, or Kathmandu that Beijing would seem lovely
1) China is the most polluted country in the world, you will do permanent damage to your respiratory system if you spend any extended time there.
2) Corruption is not just abundant, it is a way of life for them
3) No Chinese airline has stuck to the conditions of the contract, some are worse than others, either that or they just change the contract completely.
4) As many have discovered, as an expat you have absolutely no industrial protection..
5) Not sure about Air china but most of them smoke in the cockpit.
6) you will probably be one of two English speakers on the flight deck, and the other one won't bother speaking English to you unless its required.
I can see how if you lived in Bangalore, Rwanda, or Kathmandu that Beijing would seem lovely
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Mr Ciff.....I think you will find that the FAA does not prohibit circling approaches below 1000 and 3 but most of these company's have it added to the ops specs.
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Cut and pasted from south Asia forum, but what what would he know, he only works there 
AIR CHINA
Air China contract, A330 or B777 is a total failure.
Bases are closed or changed without notice, aircraft types changed, and Air China expects the pilots to either relocate to Copenhagen ( not the perfect airport to commute to and from, with all due respect to our danish colleagues ) or another aiport far from your home and pay for the positionning full fare with the tacky and changing rosters they produce.
YVR and SYD should go B777 next year, B777 in FRA and CDG, LHR in summer A330 in winter, how do you expect to have a life and make any stable plan.
As far as salary in concerned, well, the wages haven't changed since day one, except downward, as you have to pay for commuting , annual visa and passport charges, not talking about currency exchange rate fiasco....
Oh, and I forgot to mention the NASAlike medical examination every 6 months, where at least 2 or 3 pilots fail and get unpaid leave, waiting for the mn chinese doctors to get their bribe.....
Rosters now change at least 4 to 5 times a month, consequently, your full fare tickets you bought are going to the trash....
1 resignation in December, 3 pilots not renewing their contracts in March 2012, and hardly any new joiner. A lot of guys get advises from inhouse pilots telling them to stay away, other make their own mind, looking at better contracts such as Hainan or China Southern. Even Hong Kong airline shines compared to Air China.
Stay Away from Air China
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AIR CHINA
Air China contract, A330 or B777 is a total failure.
Bases are closed or changed without notice, aircraft types changed, and Air China expects the pilots to either relocate to Copenhagen ( not the perfect airport to commute to and from, with all due respect to our danish colleagues ) or another aiport far from your home and pay for the positionning full fare with the tacky and changing rosters they produce.
YVR and SYD should go B777 next year, B777 in FRA and CDG, LHR in summer A330 in winter, how do you expect to have a life and make any stable plan.
As far as salary in concerned, well, the wages haven't changed since day one, except downward, as you have to pay for commuting , annual visa and passport charges, not talking about currency exchange rate fiasco....
Oh, and I forgot to mention the NASAlike medical examination every 6 months, where at least 2 or 3 pilots fail and get unpaid leave, waiting for the mn chinese doctors to get their bribe.....
Rosters now change at least 4 to 5 times a month, consequently, your full fare tickets you bought are going to the trash....
1 resignation in December, 3 pilots not renewing their contracts in March 2012, and hardly any new joiner. A lot of guys get advises from inhouse pilots telling them to stay away, other make their own mind, looking at better contracts such as Hainan or China Southern. Even Hong Kong airline shines compared to Air China.
Stay Away from Air China
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