CX fatigue
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Hold on a minute
Why are we automatically blaming the FO's or SO's?
Very likely a photo taken by a checker on a recent line check.
God knows they carry on some time.....
So Bloggs, what is the secondary effect of turning that switch from the 10 o'clock position to the 12 o'clock......
Zzzzzzzzz
Very likely a photo taken by a checker on a recent line check.
God knows they carry on some time.....
So Bloggs, what is the secondary effect of turning that switch from the 10 o'clock position to the 12 o'clock......
Zzzzzzzzz
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From: In front of the PC
Whilst just about all of you on this thread are carrying on like a bunch of...well.... catty cabin crew! 
, about who took what photo and when, it seems the bigger issue has been missed.
HOLEY
THERE IS A DUDE ASLEEP ON THE FLIGHT DECK!!
We've got other stuff to worry about. Our esteemed manager is quoted as saying
"Pilots on 5.6 per cent of flights returned a Samn-Perelli score of five or greater, which in a circular to crew, General Manager Flying Henry Craig described as "very encouraging".
The problem chaps is the roster is, FTL's are being attacked, and we all just keep on rocking up to work knackered and the management are now on record as saying being on the tired side of the scale at work is cool 
Pull your heads in and focus
, about who took what photo and when, it seems the bigger issue has been missed.HOLEY
THERE IS A DUDE ASLEEP ON THE FLIGHT DECK!!We've got other stuff to worry about. Our esteemed manager is quoted as saying
"Pilots on 5.6 per cent of flights returned a Samn-Perelli score of five or greater, which in a circular to crew, General Manager Flying Henry Craig described as "very encouraging".
The problem chaps is the roster is
, FTL's are being attacked, and we all just keep on rocking up to work knackered and the management are now on record as saying being on the tired side of the scale at work is cool Pull your heads in and focus
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"The problem chaps is the roster is 
, FTL's are being attacked, and we all just keep on rocking up to work knackered and the management are now on record as saying being on the tired side of the scale at work is cool 
"
"Pull your heads in and focus"
asianeagle
I couldn't agree more we have lost focus we just accept what ever CX throws our way and do little to improve rosters, ftl's ect...
, FTL's are being attacked, and we all just keep on rocking up to work knackered and the management are now on record as saying being on the tired side of the scale at work is cool ""Pull your heads in and focus"
asianeagle
I couldn't agree more we have lost focus we just accept what ever CX throws our way and do little to improve rosters, ftl's ect...
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From: HK
Pull your heads in and focus
I agree brothers and sisters, it's time to get serious. Let's form a committee to discuss it.
Motion 1: To form a committee
Those in favour of joining the "Popular Peoples Flight Time Front" say aye.
Bloody Cathay...what they ever do for us?!
Motion 1: To form a committee
Those in favour of joining the "Popular Peoples Flight Time Front" say aye.
Bloody Cathay...what they ever do for us?!
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From: Hong Kong
Sorry, GHE
He's not an idiot. The knob that took the photo and then allowed it to get into the public domain is the idiot.
We are all aware of the absolute garbage that the SCMP writes and once they get hold of this it will be no different.
What was the photographer thinking when he took the photo? There are aspects to our job that no outsider has a right or a need to know about. The fact that 'controlled rest' is an accepted and practIced technique to cope with the excessive fatigue that is a part of our existence does not make it something we should turn into a tabloid sensation!
I hope the perpetrator is found out and summarily censured. And yes I would say that IMHO this is as heinous as the BJ debacle.
And don't forget that under the current regime the logical conclusion might be to ban controlled rest altogether lest another idiot let's the press know what we do in order to function!
He's not an idiot. The knob that took the photo and then allowed it to get into the public domain is the idiot.
We are all aware of the absolute garbage that the SCMP writes and once they get hold of this it will be no different.
What was the photographer thinking when he took the photo? There are aspects to our job that no outsider has a right or a need to know about. The fact that 'controlled rest' is an accepted and practIced technique to cope with the excessive fatigue that is a part of our existence does not make it something we should turn into a tabloid sensation!
I hope the perpetrator is found out and summarily censured. And yes I would say that IMHO this is as heinous as the BJ debacle.
And don't forget that under the current regime the logical conclusion might be to ban controlled rest altogether lest another idiot let's the press know what we do in order to function!
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From: somewhere
Why hide
Without touching the politics of an identifiable photo publication issue.
Why hide from the public the fact that you are allowed to nap on the flight deck. When your company wants further relaxation ie longer FTl limits you have perfect material to argue against it. Why let the public be deluded into the fact that the current limits are not already extreme. I reckon publicize as much as you can. Your union isn't going to win this on it's own. It's only with greater public awareness that you will defeat any increase to your daily duty times.
Otherwise the next time they go for productivity increases, to the ignorant public it merely presents as you are paid well and the company wants greater productivity for your next tiny Payrise. The rest of the world goes "so what"
You may generate a slightly more positive reaction if you can promote the safety issue.
Why hide from the public the fact that you are allowed to nap on the flight deck. When your company wants further relaxation ie longer FTl limits you have perfect material to argue against it. Why let the public be deluded into the fact that the current limits are not already extreme. I reckon publicize as much as you can. Your union isn't going to win this on it's own. It's only with greater public awareness that you will defeat any increase to your daily duty times.
Otherwise the next time they go for productivity increases, to the ignorant public it merely presents as you are paid well and the company wants greater productivity for your next tiny Payrise. The rest of the world goes "so what"
You may generate a slightly more positive reaction if you can promote the safety issue.
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From: Canada
+1 to Turbine Overheats post. Why is everyone so afraid to let the public see what is actually going on in the cockpit? When the rules are so ridiculous that we need to have rest on the flightdeck, the public has a right to know. Maybe then we will see some progress to the outdated crap that currently poses as duty time regulations.
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Today's South China........
This is your captain sleeping ... | HK News Watch | Latest Hong Kong, China & World News | SCMP.com
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From: UK.
why isn't he wearing his pyjamas?
Q: Why do I remember that so clearly?
A: She was a rather decent, tall, raven haired beauty.
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Perhaps your jamies had little noddy land airplanes on them but you secretly always wanted your sisters jamies, which had baby dolls on them. At least he didn't turn up in his birthday suit. Bless his little Cathay cotton socks.
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However, the airline spokeswoman said Cathay Pacific had a fatigue risk management system in place to monitor and control fatigue risk which "far exceeds" Civil Aviation Department requirements.
