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NOOOOOOOOOO........!!!!

Old 10th Aug 2011, 04:44
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Unhappy NOOOOOOOOOO........!!!!

8 x 777-200 freighters for CX.

There goes the roster!
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 05:17
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and only 2.8 Billion profit... likely over 6 Billion for this year when its done..

Surely another round of SLS is on its way..
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 07:35
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Look at the brighter side of things. More opportunities for pilots and command upgrade too!

Happy Landings!
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 07:56
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Don't worry, they'll go to Air Hong Kong or maybe Air China. So no change to the CX 777 roster!
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 07:58
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You will be making my life easier guys!!!! It will be concentrating on regional freighter patterns. Get ready for some night PVGs, three sector HKG-DAC-HAN, HKG-SIN-PEN and shed loads of Px ing boys.........


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Old 10th Aug 2011, 08:15
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Laughin my arse off
777 freighter hk commuters shit comin your way
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 08:55
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Don't forget all those night stops in Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai as well.
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 09:19
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Also 2 man dubai
Delhi day return
Delhi chennai hk through the night
Just some of the nice ones
Down to mongkok for spare set of eyeballs
And some bog rolls to clean them as they'll be hangin out ya arse
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 09:47
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8 x 777-200 freighters for CX.

There goes the roster!
Unless you're on a NA base. Fly to hkg, do a day return (NA time), suck up the hours and go to work less than twice a month. Bring them on.
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 10:19
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It seems that suddenly another huge % of the pilots will now finally care about the freighter rostering issues and and have a huge stake in the RP loopholes and terrible patterns and practices of freighter operations.

The time to get serious about fixing this stuff is right now. I believe everyone already knows how bad life can be on the 747 and how bad it could be on the 777 if nothing is taken care of right now.

If you are not yet highly motivated to push for massive RP changes and do what is necessary to get the changes we need and want, please go drink beer with 747 FOs, as most CNs don't do much freighter flying right now with all the freighter CNs around, and 747 SOs only do the occasional ANC.

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Old 10th Aug 2011, 15:50
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Exclamation

With the global economy crisis on its way, wouldn't having more 777 better than SLS??
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 19:44
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"It seems that suddenly another huge % of the pilots will now finally care about the freighter rostering issues and and have a huge stake in the RP loopholes and terrible patterns and practices of freighter operations."

Aren't freighter rostering issues only applicable if you signed a FREIGHTER CONTRACT?
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 20:38
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err Brown Nose..what planet are you on?
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 20:58
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Aren't freighter rostering issues only applicable if you signed a FREIGHTER CONTRACT?
Simple answer - NO!!!!!
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 23:03
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now they have ordered -200s i could see the possibility of converting the 5 other -200s to freighters.
no idea if thats possible but they did struggle to sell them.
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Old 11th Aug 2011, 01:24
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Aren't freighter rostering issues only applicable if you signed a FREIGHTER CONTRACT?
How can we expect to improve issues with Freighter Ops & Rostering when guys don't even know the basics of their own COS & AFTL's.
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Old 11th Aug 2011, 07:54
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now they have ordered -200s i could see the possibility of converting the 5 other -200s to freighters.
no idea if thats possible but they did struggle to sell them.
At the moment there is no approved conversion for 777s to freighters although Boeing have looked into it in the past. There is not enough 'feedstock' to make this program viable at the moment. The figures Boeing previously released was for the 777-200 (non-ER version as we have) to be a 60-odd tonne freighter. Not sure if this would interest CX or not compared to the 77Fs ordered which are over 100 tonnes.
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Old 11th Aug 2011, 17:42
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Geh065,

It is more about volume than weight for regional sectors. For this reason, I believe a conversion program will eventually happen. However, the 400 BCFs have been a disappointment performancewise. So CX is probably skeptical about investing heavily in another BCF program.

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Old 12th Aug 2011, 01:01
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Geh065,

It is more about volume than weight for regional sectors. For this reason, I believe a conversion program will eventually happen. However, the 400 BCFs have been a disappointment performancewise. So CX is probably skeptical about investing heavily in another BCF program.
I believe eventually there will be a conversion program too but not in the next few years. The investment aerospace companies need in order to launch a program like this requires both a market for the freighters and planes to feed the market. The demand I suspect is there already but there are no spare 777s to feed the market at the moment. The only 777s on the market have been the CX 772s and some Singapore 777-200ERs and 777-300s. Certainly not enough to feed a BCF line.

It is for this same reason that the Russian/Airbus joint venture to start an A320 conversion line was scrapped, and there are certainly a lot more spare A320s then 777s but obviously still not enough. The first A320 had even arrived at the factory already for conversion!

Unless there is a major market downturn that bankrupts a major 777 operator, I don't think we will see a conversion line for at least nearly 10 years.
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Old 12th Aug 2011, 01:22
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Iron skillet. Well said!

It's a numbers game. The more people 'suffer' on freighter pattern the quicker
we will see full credit for PX sectors. In about 5 months there are no more freighter only F/O's. and in 3-5 years we will have only about 30-50 freighter only C/N left.

Brown nose. You are a space cadet. I suggest your academic background is from north London. Wouldn't like to put my family dog on your airplane. You are a living proof the demise of quality on CX flight decks is in full swing.
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