useless callouts

[Steve the Pirate]

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I will never cross a runway , unless I double check with ATC,, if the aircraft lined up have all his lights on, as I only know of one airline that enter the runway with all lights on.

Sorry, I don't see your point. On one hand it appears that you agree with putting all the lights on to ensure that the entire crew understands the clearance and on the other it appears that you disagree with your quoted "Industry standard". What's your point?

STP

[FlexibleResponse]

To make any sort of standard call-out, you need to:

1. Closely observe the operation.
2. Comprehend what you observe.
3. Verbalized when the event happens.

...and be prepared to be vilified if you get it wrong...and castigated if you miss a call.

I find this is all very stress-full, time-consuming and the process interrupts the karma and gentle soothing of my iPod music.

I mean 99 times out of 100 it just doesn't matter, does it?

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@ Steve

When receiving T / Off clearance, switch on the landing lights. No uncertainty, or questions later " have we been cleared"

When cleared to cross a runway, and an aircraft is lined up with all his lights on, I'll be asking questions.

Landing lights on = cleared for take off
Hope that explains it.

[cxorcist]

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I too wish we connected the landing lights ON to landing and takeoff clearances. When I used to do this at CX, I often would get the look like what the hell are you doing. So I have just stopped and reverted to CX standard which is to require nearly every clearance to be read at least twice. It is pathetic and a potentially dangerous increase to the already excessive comm in our flightdecks. Then we wonder why ATC comms is one of the most mismanaged CX threats in the LOSA archive . It must be our challenging ATC environment. Yeah, that's it. It couldn't be us.

I am not sure why something that makes sense in the rest airline world does not work in Hong Kong. Guess we are just smarter and more capable than everyone else, including the aircraft manufacturers and their pilots. I hope our CPs have the center-loins to change some of this ridiculousness...

[Steve the Pirate]

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OK, I get it now. So, a "Line up and wait" instruction = strobes only?

STP

[Popgun]

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OK, I get it now. So, a "Line up and wait" instruction = strobes only?

STP

It depends on the company. My previous company turned the landing lights on with the take off clearance. My current company turns the landing lights on prior to crossing the take off runway holding point (whether cleared for take off or just cleared to line up only).

You would think after this many years of jet aviation operations we would have standardised things by now. Unfortunately, as a global industry, we're not even close.

PG