880 tonight = No FO. Let's keep it that way
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I'm sure there's a lot of expat G day callouts that could be uncovered if you really wanna make the distinction amongst the sinners.
Be it expat or local, it's still wrong to screw your mate/colleague over like this.
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Jizzmonkey, here's your incoming missile:
READ THE POST HEADING, stop deviating from the topic, if you really wanna discuss about it, go back to the proper post, I'm sure you can find it with a little hard work. While you're at it, blame the locals for delayed command/JFO upgrades, might as well blame them for mandatory COS08 on base, oh and blame them for the payrise you ain't getting cause it wasn't in the contract you signed in the first place.
Speaking of knowing the contract you signed for in the first place, does anyone know if the contract requires answering your phone on G-Day?
READ THE POST HEADING, stop deviating from the topic, if you really wanna discuss about it, go back to the proper post, I'm sure you can find it with a little hard work. While you're at it, blame the locals for delayed command/JFO upgrades, might as well blame them for mandatory COS08 on base, oh and blame them for the payrise you ain't getting cause it wasn't in the contract you signed in the first place.
Speaking of knowing the contract you signed for in the first place, does anyone know if the contract requires answering your phone on G-Day?
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Secondly, they signed the contract, why now complain about it? If you want to make EVERYONES contract better, then get housing for the based guys too.
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Jizz,
in case you haven't read any AOA update in the last half year or so, even the union acknowledged that CEP's were promised some sort of housing by the company years ago, just like your 25 years housing. so if you say that is justified, how is CEP housing not justified then? afterall the "promise" came at least 5 if not 10 years before yours.
and guess what, why do you think the company needs to cash in on their "promises" if flights are still getting off the ground? isn't it obvious it would never be the case if not for these sinners bending backwards to help them out?
This was promised by the company for the SLS that we gave them, so again, yes I do feel it is justified.
and guess what, why do you think the company needs to cash in on their "promises" if flights are still getting off the ground? isn't it obvious it would never be the case if not for these sinners bending backwards to help them out?
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I flew with an F/O the other day who was working on a G day. After politely questioning his motive for doing so, I discovered he had in fact given up a few G days in a row.
He expanded on his reasoning by outlining a complicated equation of G, U and Mutual Exchange day usage he and a few other F/Os had formulated which supposedly made him/them more money. He was quite surprised when I explained to him (with documents in front of me) how those processes actually worked and that he/they had penalised themselves for months. Forgetting for a moment the ramifications for the pilot group as a whole.
May I suggest that rather than witch-hunting and name-calling, perhaps a better way forward in the coming months is education. A simple document - along the lines of the AFTL flow charts - could be produced by our association that clearly outlines the financial effects to the individual and the group of G day working.
Oh, and can we consider changing the name of Contract Compliance to something like Company Assistance Program? Think of terms like Climate Change (not Global Warming), Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (not Shell Shock), Customer Service Department (not Complaints Department), Alcohol Awareness Program (not Drunk Tank), the HKAOA (not the CPPTU - Cathay Pacific Pilots Trade Union) and the list goes on. Just a thought.
Lastly, I am on a G day, so why the F#%K am I reading and writing on PPRUNE??? (Quote from my wife)
He expanded on his reasoning by outlining a complicated equation of G, U and Mutual Exchange day usage he and a few other F/Os had formulated which supposedly made him/them more money. He was quite surprised when I explained to him (with documents in front of me) how those processes actually worked and that he/they had penalised themselves for months. Forgetting for a moment the ramifications for the pilot group as a whole.
May I suggest that rather than witch-hunting and name-calling, perhaps a better way forward in the coming months is education. A simple document - along the lines of the AFTL flow charts - could be produced by our association that clearly outlines the financial effects to the individual and the group of G day working.
Oh, and can we consider changing the name of Contract Compliance to something like Company Assistance Program? Think of terms like Climate Change (not Global Warming), Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (not Shell Shock), Customer Service Department (not Complaints Department), Alcohol Awareness Program (not Drunk Tank), the HKAOA (not the CPPTU - Cathay Pacific Pilots Trade Union) and the list goes on. Just a thought.
Lastly, I am on a G day, so why the F#%K am I reading and writing on PPRUNE??? (Quote from my wife)
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Re: 880 on 28NOV
Its actually two guys working G's on 880 tonight.
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Yes SweepTheLeg, the G day worker on 880 on the 28th is a serial offender. Doesn't surprise me at all as its right up his alley to act like that. "I'm on board pull up the gang plank!" Greed is good mentality.
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I spoke to the 880 G dayer FO and having been called every day previously and refusing, he was about to start reserve block which meant he couldn't attend a funeral overseas ("not an immediate relative" = no company sympathy, despite the closeness of said deceased) By doing this one sector, they Pxed him straight back and he could attend the funeral. AND it cost the company 5 days of Stby.
Before accepting, he checked and EVERY single standby had been used.
Sometimes, all is not as it seems. Please be careful who's glass roof you stone.
Before accepting, he checked and EVERY single standby had been used.
Sometimes, all is not as it seems. Please be careful who's glass roof you stone.
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Excuses excuses. 
I'm sure there is gonna be all sorts of wild excuses when CC starts. "Oh, my dog ate my published roster and the vet was only open when I got back from this G-day callout which I thought was a reserve day."
I'm sure there is gonna be all sorts of wild excuses when CC starts. "Oh, my dog ate my published roster and the vet was only open when I got back from this G-day callout which I thought was a reserve day."
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checked there was no other standby
I'd love to know how he managed this feat.
Given some stories we get told over the phone I'd be reluctant to believe a one-liner from CC
Given some stories we get told over the phone I'd be reluctant to believe a one-liner from CC
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The AOA is not in CC. In fact in the recent vote, 3 out 4 members said now is not the time for CC! So what exactly has the FO on 506 done wrong?
I think it's called democracy me old
I think it's called democracy me old
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The AOA has a BB where this issue can be discussed ad nauseum
If you want to lose the ability to check the crew list on IntraCx, carry on.
This discussion shouldn't be in the public domain. Wind your necks in lads, please.
If you want to lose the ability to check the crew list on IntraCx, carry on.
This discussion shouldn't be in the public domain. Wind your necks in lads, please.
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